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Jalen has figured it out??

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ThatboyPhuong, Jan 3, 2025.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Right, I mentioned in the second part. Maybe in the thing you're discussing, the player's stats are lower than their known capacity. So the guy could make a case for example that Sengun is better than his stats because he's already scored better in the past with the same coach and roster.

    I think you're just trying to share that you believe that the player is his stats and nothing else matters, right? You shouldn't be surprised that you constantly face resistance to that, most scientists wouldn't even agree with you on that. Valid opinion, but come on you must see that's it's kinda fringe (to everyone else, not to you).
     
  2. Nook

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    Jalen Green has improved as a basketball player. His defense is far better and his overall awareness has improved. The problem is that he hasn’t improved in the main area they expected him to improve at. It happens. The talent is there - right now the Rockets can be patient and maybe we see progression as a scorer and efficiency.
     
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  3. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    Laugh at the OP all you want, but the last 15 game, Green has averaged 21 ppg on a .57 TS%. That’s a pretty solid stretch.
     
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    Ya, stats/metrics are the way i judge past performance, i can't look at someone go 0/5 from 3 and then say they shot the ball well. He was saying jalen and sengun have been basically the same this season and are both "up and down". I thought that gamescore was a good way to show that he was wrong, that there has been a big difference this season between alpi and jalen. Of course some will disagree, that goes for anything.
     
  5. Mathloom

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    You can look at someone go 0 for 5 and still say they're a good shooter though if that guy happens to be Damian Lillard or something. You just can't say they shot the ball well. But you can say they shoot the ball well.

    Ah no they haven't been the same at all. Sengun has been better.
     
  6. astrosrule

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    Right, but if dame shoots 20% for a week wouldn't you say those games were bad? We're only talking about past games.
     
  7. Mathloom

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    Yes of course a good shooter shot poorly. Happens all the time.
     
  8. ThatBoyNick

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    It’s too bad the whole season isn’t the last 15 games
     
  9. astrosrule

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    Right, and it's those same stats/metrics that will tell you that player should rebound.
     
  10. Mathloom

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    It's at least a safe bet yeah unless it's outliers like aging, injuries, mental state, etc.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    Its to bad people are making fun of Green because they think he's only been this good for one game especially in the defensive end where he's shown significant improvement since the season began.
     
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    Jalen seems to always play “better” when the team loses some depth.
     
  13. ThatBoyNick

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    He currently has a career worst -6.8 on/off split this season.

    He’s been bad offensively, I don’t think he’s a good defender either, especially not such a great defender that it make up for his offensive inefficiencies to the point of him being a net positive.

    You’ll respond in disagreement, it is what is.
     
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    Also a career high in on court pt differential at +3.2. he's a starter on a team with an elite record and pt differential with one did the deepest benches in the league when healthy. On/off especially for a young starting guard on such a team probably will have bad on/off impact unless they are at like 22 year old Luka or Morant level. All the minutes he's on the court the Rockets are still a net winning team pr differential wise.
     
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    He’s 2nd in total minutes and has the worst on off splits of any rotation player on the team. Come on chowd, it’s an objective red flag and I know you see it.
     
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    You only going off of a player's stats to determine that player's value/worth.

    It's more ways than just looking at stats to determine what a player brings to the table.
     
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    So what did you do with the new information I provided?
     
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    Come back with that elite record stuff after January and February. Jalen is better than last year. For most games he has been pretty good at defense, but not elite. Most of the games he has shot horrendously. I'm one of the guys that would not get rid of Jalen unless the return was substantial, but if he can't get his outside shooting fixed, he will never be a good offensive player and won't be worth his contract. We are in the 4th year of a re-build and by all accounts in pretty good shape. All of our young players are less than 23 years old. Patience is still key.
     
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    With Jalen cultists it's about faith, not reality.
     
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  20. astrosrule

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    Numbers are what they are, the "eye test" can show you whatever you want.
     
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