1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Bregman has signed with the Boston Red Sox

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Rockets34Legend, Sep 18, 2024.

  1. Castian Crew

    Castian Crew Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2023
    Messages:
    4,158
    Likes Received:
    4,684
    I think you are paying for experience and perhaps a clubhouse voice with Bregs. Otherwise he may not be worth his contract starting year 1.
     
  2. Hemingway

    Hemingway Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    10,631
    Likes Received:
    13,840
    I don't want Bregman back. What about last year says to you he is worth 30m+ a year and at the expense of signing an OF that we desperately need.
     
    Stephen66 likes this.
  3. toby

    toby Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2002
    Messages:
    1,231
    Likes Received:
    689
    The pop ups.
     
  4. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,716
    Likes Received:
    10,926
    Everything that I posted is directly out of fangraphs and baseball reference.

    I posted true numbers for Alex's 2024 season.

    Exactly which clutch splits would you like me to look at? That's a pretty general request that could pertain to any number of different stats.

    As I said, there are absolutely bad stats you can reference.

    Like Yordan's .543 OPS w/ a runner on 3rd or .523 w/ the bases loaded last year.

    Yordan must not be clutch.
     
  5. Tomstro

    Tomstro Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2016
    Messages:
    25,612
    Likes Received:
    22,658
    The ones I listed. Those are under “clutch stats” in BR.
     
  6. Rock Block

    Rock Block Sorta here sometimes
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2001
    Messages:
    13,169
    Likes Received:
    16,609
    Exactly. If 2024 is as good as it gets going forward and he has let’s say two more seasons like 24’ there’s no way signing him to even what they offered is a good deal. If this team was constructed as a no doubt favorite to win it all then maybe otherwise move on.
     
  7. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,716
    Likes Received:
    10,926
    Thanks
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,203
    Likes Received:
    102,196
    Lol.
     
    raining threes likes this.
  9. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    18,458
    Likes Received:
    13,311
    Agreed about the last sentence. But we'll run franchises pay for what they think you're going to do, not what you've done in the past. They don't eat bad money at the end of contracts. People need to accept Alex is gone.
     
    BlindHog likes this.
  10. Tomstro

    Tomstro Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2016
    Messages:
    25,612
    Likes Received:
    22,658
    And,,,, they paint a more accurate picture
     
  11. Radricky

    Radricky Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2020
    Messages:
    6,322
    Likes Received:
    10,121
     
    cwebbster likes this.
  12. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2010
    Messages:
    11,692
    Likes Received:
    15,266
    He does have a walk off pop up...
     
    HatsForBats and 13 in 33 like this.
  13. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,716
    Likes Received:
    10,926
    I think they are all accurate.

    Some of these aren't good but none of them are terrible, except "behind" and that's really too vast of a category to get any definitive information.

    When breaking out the margin of the lead/deficit, the closer the game, the better he hit, so it can be inferred that much if those bad stats were when the team was behind 3+ runs and therefore not terribly important.

    Also it's a small sample size.
    If you look at "RISP w/2 outs" if he got 1 more AB and it was a HR, it would go from .620 to 671. If any PA makes a 50+ point difference in OPS there isn't enough of a sample size for it to be meaningful.

    There are 10 categories under "clutch" on BR, he was over .700 in 7 of them and .750 in 6 of them. We all know Alex's 2024 was weaker offensively than in the past, but this doesn't convince me he "isn't clutch"
     
  14. Tomstro

    Tomstro Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2016
    Messages:
    25,612
    Likes Received:
    22,658
    There is also what we witnessed in the games by watching. Alex was terrible last year when it mattered. He killed rally after rally with those lame pop ups and weak contact bullshit. They kept having to shuffle him from 4th to 2nd and back just to try get him going. He did much better after May, but was never close to clutch last year. Very frustrating. It says a lot that he was so much worse when we were behind and that he was at his best when there was a margin greater than 4 runs in the game. His defense will gradually slip too, as he ages.

    .194 BA with a .620 OPS w/risp and 2 outs. That right there says a ton.
     
  15. the shark

    the shark Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2010
    Messages:
    5,012
    Likes Received:
    4,521
    The last two yrs of Altuve's extension ('28 + '29 seasons) his luxury tax hit will be 25 mil each yr (when he'll be 38 + 39 yrs old). At that point he's strictly a DH as well. I get that he's the face of the franchise but that's a pretty big hit.
     
  16. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,716
    Likes Received:
    10,926
    We can just agree to disagree. I watched what you watched, but the majority of those bad ABs were early in the season.

    The sample size is not enough to say this is who Alex is, and he improved markedly as the season went on.

    All MLBers have some bad stats, it's the nature of the game.

    We will see which Alex shows up (and where) in 2025.
     
  17. Tomstro

    Tomstro Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2016
    Messages:
    25,612
    Likes Received:
    22,658
    Looking a little deeper it gets more disturbing..

    On Base %

    2 outs, risp- .265
    Late and close- .268
    Tie game- .272
    Behind- .238

    Bro, that is dreadfully bad.
    does not scream team leader either

    just with men on, in any scenario- .237 BA .291OBA

    total with RISP- .230 BA .284 OBA

    yuck
     
    #1037 Tomstro, Jan 4, 2025
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2025
    Stephen66 and toby like this.
  18. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,716
    Likes Received:
    10,926
    Thanks for the update.
     
  19. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    18,458
    Likes Received:
    13,311
    Like I said, you can have one of these types of guys but not two. Also Altuve took Crane's first offer. Bregs chose not to take it.
     
  20. Tomstro

    Tomstro Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2016
    Messages:
    25,612
    Likes Received:
    22,658
    No need to get upset. Just look at those stats. He was very un-clutch last year. He was the opposite of clutch.
     

Share This Page