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Post game- Cam Whitmore

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Francis3422, Jan 1, 2025.

  1. JW86

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    Yeah…yet Cam said he doesn’t know what he needs to do to get playing time. Odd situation for sure. Not blowing it out of proportion, but this is definitely not all good now.
     
  2. nomiz1987

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    Came in here wanting some extra info on Cam, saw a bunch of non related JG homers post, left in a hurry.
     
  3. xtruroyaltyx

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    My guess is that Cam has had all of this laid out to him by the coaching staff just like Ime said, but he probably is just confused why he has so many objectives to even be a part of the rotation when other flawed players seem to play heavy mins regardless of what they do.
     
  4. BallSoHarden

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    Tate literally asked for a trade two weeks ago because he is frustrated with not getting minutes, he was given minutes the next game. Jalen in his second season was saying how the org was not using him correctly, he said they should be running more and using his athleticism, he called out the coaching staff as well by doing this, but w Jalen there was no backlash from the org, because he has been coddled his whole life and has no one in his camp to correct him, he was instead rewarded with being able to start every game he was available. Cam gets sent to the G League if he complains. There really was no opportunity for Jalen to complain about minutes because he has been handed everything on a silver platter, and yet he still complained about how he was being utilized.
     
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  6. No Worries

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    Wow. One postgame comment and Cam’s career is over.
     
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  7. rockets1995

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    At 20 years old, a lot of anger at that age.

    Still maturing and get guidance from Veterans, that is why Jeff Green is on this Team and the Assistant Coaches to help his Growth. Cam Whitmore is needed in this offense.
     
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  8. rockets1995

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    All these Athletic Players on the Team and Fred VanVleet is literally the only PG that is slowing the pace down. Fred VanVleet is Atrocious, not even running on Fast Breaks. So many points missing whether Amen, Tari, Jalen are running out ahead, Fred has the ball he dribbles half court, Amen, Tari, Jalen want the pass, Fred VanVleet completely ignores the open man and pulls out for half hours offense which results in a chucking Fred VanVleet 3 pointer.
     
  9. DatRocketFan

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    Context matters.

    Jalen complaining under the Silas era isn't the same thing as cam complaining during the ime era after a win. Like back then kpj left the squad and only got a slap on the wrist.

    Both r wrong to use the media as a source to vent but one is complaining about actual incompetent coaching while the other is voicing his displeasure of not being fully utilized and lack of mins. It has some merit but btching about it after a win is not a good look.
     
  10. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Sam keeps shrugging his shoulders and saying "I don't dislike Jalen Green, I just XYZ..." but since before Udoka arrived, you can track every single thing he has said about the Rockets. If it's about Green, it will be negative. If it's about someone who can replace Green, no matter how bad they're playing, he finds amazing silver linings and reasons to trust his instinct over stats. He's just a guy who's ego is protecting a profoundly stupid 3+ year old prediction that Jalen can and will be a guy who's based on his jumper like a Ray Allen or something lol. Now he's spent 2+ years blaming Green for his own prediction falling flat.

    People fall so easily for the fake nice guy schtick.
     
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    Cam needs to learn from Jabari how to talk to the media.
    You know what I’m saying, I don’t know, you know what im saying, constant minutes, by you know what I’m saying.
    It seems more positive or at least ruins there sound bites.
     
  12. ChillyPete32

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    Sam has probably watched the Rockets over the last few years more than any other national NBA media personality. I don't think he has an axe to grind with Jalen based on anything personal. A lot of Rockets fans don't buy into Jalen either. His opinion isn't like some crazy outlier and he's backed it up with stats and breaking down specific examples of his play.

    He's also liked Cam going back to the draft and talked about how him seeming kind of aloof gave teams the sense he wasn't really competitive or cared that much but that he thought teams were misunderstanding his personality.
     
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    Lmao, same thing, just more accomplished.

    Butler is an eccentric diva for sure.....hope it's not the case for Cam.
     
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    Love the hair! He can afford to do this and there’s a lot going on here so definitely not the same thing.
     
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    Everything is different but the whole undertone and not being content is the same.

    The difference is the Heat are putting their feud in the public (major media market) and the Rockets are hush hush since the Morey days about everything....

    Mostly hush about medical conditions, and very much hush about KPJ.

    In the end both approaches (Heat and Rockets) might end in a trade.......the Cam thing has better chances of improving (just not seeing it under Udoka and playing system doesn't need another me scorer)
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Sorry but I watched every single one of his videos about the Rockets to investigate whether I'm being biased and I just kept finding him saying weirder and dumber things. He behaves exactly like a guy who has an axe to grind but doesn't want to admit it and that's what's relevant here. He cherry picks bad stats for Green. For example, he will constantly cite Green's halfcourt finishing at the rim. Everyone's halfcourt finishing is worse than their overall finishing at the rim. When he talks about other Rockets in other segments, he will just mention their overall finishing at the rim. Do you know why that is? Because Green (arguably tied with Amen) is the best player on the team finishing within 5 feet of the basket. Both of them are better than Sengun within 5 feet of the basket this season (though Sengun is climbing back slowly). You would never, ever know that by watching his channel. You would think Green is one of the worst finisher on our team or the league. You would understandably be thinking "well he can't shoot or get to the line so there's no future for him". This a kid who got to the line 6+ times aged 19 while weighing the same as a WNBA player.

    Sam's a flat out hater and btw I have no issue watching analysts criticize Green, in fact Charles Barkley was dumping on Jalen Green about a week ago and I was cracking up about it. It's just Sam that's curating a bad picture for Green while acting like it's just the data that's the bad guy lol. You know what's weird about it? JALAN HAS SO MANY BAD STATS why would you need to take one he's average at and make it look worse rather than just talk about the obvious thing he doesn't want to admit... it's clear now Jalen Green was never supposed to be a 3PT shooter and he's not a good 3PT shooter. The logical move is Green takes a volume of 3's more in line with Butler, Morant, Westbrook, younger DeAron Fox. He's taking double to triple the volume of those guys at the same age.

    Like how childish to tip toe around your own f*ck-up at the expense of the reputation of a hardworking kid who's struggling in the NBA. I know for commercial reasons he can't come out and just say he doesn't like Green, but it is odd when someone has to repeat the sentence "I don't have anything against him" so so many times as Sam does. I think Sam probably holds the world record for repeating that sentence. Ok buddy you may think you have nothing against him but for all intents and purposes you are unknowingly acting out the life of a person who secretly has something against Green.

    I'll give him some props for his acting though.
     
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    He said word for word that Reed Shepard has a higher ceiling than Green.

    There is a class of NBA analyst that has some type of hate fixation with a certain archetype of player who doesn't maybe carry himself like a "proper educated white person" would carry themselves in interviews, is flashy and is extremely athletic.

    Sam is one of those type of analysts. Before the season of someone said Sheppard has a higher floor because he is projected to be a far more consistent shooter and smarter passer, that is within the bounds of "reasonable,x. But to think a much longer, significantly more athletic player with similar levels of ball handling has a lower ceiling than a player like Sheppard is rather unhinged.
     
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  18. ChillyPete32

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    A few things

    1. I definitely haven't watched every minute of his videos so not going head to head on that
    2. Can you link what stats you are referencing?
    3. The standard for Jalen finishing in the halfcourt is different than Alpi, Amen, or really anyone else on the team for many reasons. He's a shooting guard who is average to below average in everything else (defending, rebounding, creation for others, shooting, etc) who is in his fourth year and signed a 9 figure contract extension that will have him making ~25% of the cap. If he was great defensively, a great shooter, younger, had a smaller role, didn't sign a huge extension, or any number of other things having an average ability to finish halfcourt drives would be fine.
    4. You and Fchow have written like a combined 100k words on here hyping up Jalen. I think you guys are way more invested in maintaining an opinion than Vecenie would be based on his draft projection of 1 player among the 100 he does every year.
     
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    Do you think Anthony Edwards fits this description and do you think this class of NBA analysts has a hate fixation on him?
     
  20. Losmi_34

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    Cam is the ideal 2 for this team, as currently constructed. He's a play finisher, and We need that badly. He works with Alpi, he works with Amen. Even with Jalen in spurts. But he needs to keep his head straight and continue building on his recent play.
     
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