That could also be that Jalen is running/driving in spurts but then he is also standing around when he is not running, meaning his off ball movements should improve....
No shet though, but I agree, Cam would have been further ahead if his attitude was better.......also in College and he would not have fallen to the Rockets. That's a no brainer. I am not sure Udoka is the right guy for developing Whitmore......but he is the right guy for Jalen Green. Singlehandedly made Jalen a better overall player and useful player. The other 2 are sort of butting heads.
A lot of those is circumstantial and subjective, I have seen a lot of Jalen ball watching and slowly trotting along and that has to affect his average game speed. Reed probably moves alot off ball and trying to get those steals and deflections as a rookie.
What? Hahaha Stop trying to squeeze out of this. You're replying to my question with a question. Why are you spending 2 posts asking me how I would rate Lebron James when you can just as easily just apply your own metrics and answer the question? It's because you're trying to get out of it on a technicality. You claimed he could be a poor shooter. Asking you to support your own claim. It's also fine if you don't want to. Saying you're not willing to do it is better than creating circles.
Exactly, it 100% depends on how you define it. For example the eye test you provided as an example. No one is claiming he's a good passer. I'm just asking if there are any metrics behind that claim and if there are not, that's ok too. I just wanted to understand whether it's an eye test because when we're not winning as much the eye test tends to become blurry as you would expect from humans.
Bold point is on the dot. folks btching about how green didn't deserve his mins under silas (true). But then they proceeded to gloss over the fact green is earning his mins under ime. Any realistic Rockets fan can acknowledge that green is a better overall and useful player under ime. If we are patient enough ime can help green take it to the next level. For cam he just needs to grind and work hard and play for the team. If he work hard he will earn his spot like amen did. Man just doesn't have a team player mentality which puts him at odd with ime
I would indeed like to see a lot more off-ball movement from him. Cutting, etc. I hope the coaching staff works with him on that.
I think when Reed is in the game, they want him spacing and dragging a defender so guys like Amen and Tari can make the cuts. We are a winning team, after all. Reed isn’t going to be given a damn thing.
Yeah because it's absurd that anyone can state there are no metrics that can measure a poor passer. But if you want to ask for stats, sure. Here's one for you. Jalen Green is currently #11 in field goal attempts in the entire NBA at 547. He also has 84 assists. Out of the top 40 players in FGA, only 2 other players have fewers than 100 assists. One is JJJ The other is OG Anonuby. So yes, that's the group he's in among passers in the NBA. If you don't think that's poor, well, then I don't know what to say.
I think I am one of the few guys that still thinks JG and Alperen can take us there eventually on offense. I want more seasons of Udoka drilling into both of them, and I want the training wheels removed (Fred) at some point. Amen is untouchable, IMO. Eventually you have to give him heavy usage with the ball in his hands. Future top 5 player. I’m clutching JG+Amen+Alperen. Tari and Bari on home cooked deals too. I think this mountain climb has just begun and we haven’t seen half of what they will become. Hold Fast…
I am too stingy for Stathead but if you compare Jordan Poole's and Green's stats in the 4th Quarter......on a public NBA.com/Stats You see similarities other than Green being more impactful on Defense and Rebounding.....similar True shooting, similar Ast to Turnover rate, Poole has more Usage slightly more Asts....
I'm sorry but this is a lazy way to determine passing acumen. Green is not a "good passer". He's meh. He isnt dog **** like a young Jalen Brown or Cam. He's at like young Booker level of passing.
Yup. A floor spacing big who can hit open shots and not clog the paint would be ideal for a freedom of movement player. A point guard that could do more than play pick and roll would also be nice. Spoelstra LOVES Jalen Green. Pairing him with BAM would be good for both teams. FVV/Jalen/Filler works for Butler/Rozier. (Now watch the ED segment of the fan base continue to shake their fist and say that they have better trade options! LOL)
This season for the 64 players with at least 30 mins per game and 20% usage Jalen has 5th worst Assist % 4th worst Assist To Turnover 6th worst Assist Ratio worst in both EFG% and TS% so he's clearly the worst in shooting efficiency and one of the worst in creating assists given high minutes and usage https://www.nba.com/stats/players/a...t=&PlayerPosition=&TeamID=0&dir=D&sort=TS_PCT and just for Rockets players averaging 20 minutes a game he has worst DefRTG, NetRTG, Assist To Turnover, 2nd worst EG% & TS%, and tied for worst BPM despite being granted the biggest usage most chances on the team https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*20&TeamID=1610612745&dir=A&sort=USG_PCT https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=MIN*GE*20&TeamID=1610612745&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS
I don't know where you got the idea it can't be measured when I'm asking you for your measurement since mine is different. You don't have to be a good playmaker to be a good passer. Assists is not just about passes, it also heavily involves creativity. Let's just cut straight to the chase: you didn't have any data about Jalen's Green's safety in delivering passes do you? And I know for a fact that you saw the data about how Jalen's turnovers compare to players with similar usage/drives. There's a big statistical difference between a safe passer and a great creative one, and neither of them are poor passers. Safe passers tend to have low assists and low TO's. They don't go for the homerun assist all the time, they just make the right play even if no assists are credited. Funnily enough we're not even disagreeing on the fundamental question here, you're just insisting that if a guy doesn't deliver average or high assists then he must be a poor passer or have tunnel vision. We're just disagreeing on terminology but honestly your terminology is SO confusing. By your definition we have to consider JJJ a below average shooter, below average post player, poor passer but he still lifts his team's offense somehow. Your terminology is going to leave contradictions like that all over the place simply because you're making a non-binary thing into a binary one.
Well you could've just told me what Jalen's numbers look like for usage/drives compared to other players instead of making up stuff about how these metrics don't exist. But I'm guessing you didn't because the numbers are still bad. De'Aaron Fox: 17 drives/58 fg%/7.6 assist%/7.8 to% Devin Booker: 12 drives/46 fg%/13.4 assist%/4.0 to% Anthony Edwards: 13 drives/47 fg%/7.7 assist%/7.7 to% Jaylen Brown: 14 drives/52 fg%/11.4 assist%/7.2 to% Jalen: 9.3 drives/46 fg%/4.6 assist%/7.6 to% Anyways, it's pretty clear your argument right now is just "Trust me bro" cause you've provided no evidence to support your point despite being adamant that you are correct.
this biggest issue here, and i was looking at these numbers yesterday, is actually the very low amount of drives Green is taking in relation to Star Guards. Jalen needs double digit drives per game at a minimum. Jalen is shooting 71.8 from 0-3 on according to bkref, and 69.(?) in the restricted area on stats.nba Ironically enough, Fred has the near same amount of drives per game as Jalen, so Im not so confident in how the nba stats calculates drives.
