Well you are placing the blame on Jalen's lack of assist on Ime. I'm just saying Jalen can be a poor passer and Ime's not a coach who promote passing. These aren't mutually exclusive things. And I'm not speaking of one-game evidence, given that Jalen has not shown he has passing chops since his rookie year. Even this game that people are being upbeat about, he had 7 potential assists. To put that in perspective. Booker averages 11.6 potential assists per game. Fox averages 11.9. Washed up Harden averages 12.9. Hell, Zach Lavine who no one here wants averages 7.8 potential assists on a lottery team. You guys are setting the bar so low for Jalen you are doing cartwheels for something most ball-dominant guards do in their sleep.
All these guys are the primary guard on their respective team ball handling wise. Fred is that for the team. Lavine is probably the one who is least ball dominant on their respective teams and even then he's not sharing the court with someone as dominant with the ball as Fred. Jalen Green as the lead ball handler I could see averaging right now around 5-6 apg and 3-4 turnovers per game. Not great. Not horrendous. But that is what I would expect if Green just took over Fred's role overnight with his current abilities.
You know all 4 of Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum, Al Horford and Derrick White shot very poorly under Ime Udoka. They averaged like 33% between them. Tatum best shooter of the bunch at 35%. I'm curious as to why you think that happened. Every single one of them shot better in almost all seasons before and after him.
I know you will keep giving Jalen excuses. The fact is, Barnes has always been a better defender and playmaker than Jalen. That's how he won ROY. To use playing hard defense as an excuse for inconsistent scoring is only convincing to you. I am not denying that defensive effort affects offensive performance. I am a critic of Udoka's over emphasis on defense at the expense of offense. But plenty of great players are two-way players. Blaming inconsistent offense on having to play good defense is just not what you expect for a leading player on a contending team. Like I said, Jalen can still be a good complementary player. I just don't expect him to be a true franchise guy anymore.
It perplexes my mind how people don't understand the basics of athletes having finite energy. My god even if you have never did any physical exertion in your life you surely played a sports video game that had a stamina bar or something? Guys this team is 3rd in a stacked western conference with a **** offense for a reason. It isn't normal the level of defensive energy the players on this team expend. Alpi and Amen's beautiful smile isn't magically making this team a 3rd seed in the god damn western conference. It's near unprecedented defensive effort.
I try to be cordial dude. I didn't ask you to "believe in Jalen Green". I'm just telling you a reason to believe its maybe closer to 20% rather than 0%. But I guess Ill go back to just insulting. Both accomplish the same type of stupid responses. Scottie Barnes has always been a dog **** defender. He got slow feet syndrome. Horrible if you are trying to play a switch style defense. Sengun puts 10x the effort to stay latterly with the ball handler on switches compared to Scottie. Under Ime I'm sure Scottie would put in a lot more effort on defense but his offense would suffer even more than it is now
No I'm not shifting the blame on Ime, I'm actually directly criticizing his offense from the start and don't believe Jalen is playing selfishly. There's no evidence Jalen is a poor passer, if you want to make a case I'm curious where you'd even start tbh. He's a low turnover guy relative to usage and drives. So already his passes don't really lead to turnovers. You don't have to be creative to be a good passer. How can you make a case he's a poor passer?
I guess it depends on exactly what is meant by "poor passer" but I think Jalen is certainly below average. Maybe somewhere in the 25th-45th percentile range for his position. It's not that he makes bad passes (those would result in turnovers), the best way I could describe it is how many times per game do you watch a play where you think Jalen should've passed the ball, but he didn't. I mean, he's certainly no Cam Whitmore. But I don't think he's that great at it, and his low assist total relative to his usage/role reflects that.
Jalen Green is holding this team back - we would literally be better off if he were not available to play. DD
Whatever evidence you personally feel makes players like LeBron, Harden, CP3 great passers? Because if you list them, then I am sure those same standards would have Jalen rated pretty poor.
My post was not intended to be insulting. Your posting history tells me that you have not stopped making excuses for Jalen's offensive consistency. The latest is defensive effort. You may still believe in Jalen becoming a superstar. I don't. (Maybe still a sliver of hope, Jim Carey kind of "still have a chance") I still have hope that he can be a good complementary player, scoring in spurts and playing decent defense. My point was, if Jalen could play offense like one of those elite scorers, even Udoka would forgive him for slacking a little on defense. Blaming playing defense for his inconsistency is just an excuse. You may or may not remember. I was one of those who pushed back the Jalen hating in his first two seasons and was vehemently against the "trade him while he still had value" sentiment. Now after 3 1/3 seasons, he has yet to shown that he can be an elite scorer for a prolong period of time. That hope is dwindling fast in my mind.
Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno as long as he doesn't have to play defense I'm telling you it's just all excuses for this bunch imagine defending Alpi missing gimmes or Jabari missing threes or Amen not having a consistent jumper yet with "but Ime is making them play defense" even under Silas green was still just making 33% on threes
If I listed Jalen's totals and didn't say what year they're from, I'm not sure anyone would be able to guess them correctly. PPG: 17.3, 19.4, 19.6, 22.1 FG%: .423, .416, .408, .426 3P%: .343, .316, .332, .338 The Russ trade was bad. The KPj extension was really bad. The Green extension was outright stupid. Dead weight contract and I'm not sure what team wants to tank for the 3 years the contract will take to expire. I'm still so perplexed at how Stone saw the numbers and decided to bet on this production. It's like giving FVV another 3 year - 120 mill extension.
I think I saw him getting straight out stripped and his pockets picked thus creating the Turnover.... it's not really the passing, he makes the safe pass most of the time. His handles are not good enough. The low assist rate, he is more of a hockey assist passer or the guy that dumps the ball to the assist giver. Also his scoring instincts take over when he could have passed. The balance isn't there yet but it could come.
I don't think so. Who do we have other than him as a perimeter creator? Cam can do some but with his tunnel vision it's very easy to figure his game out.
We can always test to see if these observations of yours are biased and not based in reality. For example we can check the turnover rate of Jalen Green on drives. His rate is 7.5% turnovers on drive attempts. DeAaron Fox btw has a higher turnover rate at 7.8. Green's turnover rate on drives is the same as Ant Edwards at 7.5.
None of this is really true, you can go look it up if you want, but he doesn't have a high turnover percentage on drives or a high amount of hockey assists.
