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Reed Looking More & More Like A Bust!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Imanimal, Dec 28, 2024.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Wasting years on a team that won't develop you will hurt more than demanding a trade.

    Since Ime won't play him, he should demand they send him down or trade him so he's not just wasting his time.

    An incompetent coach like Ime can really destroy careers if players get stuck there for too long.
     
  2. Hank McDowell

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    I don't understand what in the hell they are doing with him. Honestly. There is zero reason for him to be on the roster if he's not going to get any minutes, and he's not good enough right now to get any minutes. Send him down. I can't find the logic for how they are handling this situation at all.
     
  3. CantStopJG24

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    He probably gets traded to the Kings or Suns so he won't have to worry about it too much longer.
     
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  4. Bobbythegreat

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    If they were planning on trading him, they'd be playing him to boost the value... like they are doing with Holiday and Tate.

    He's just in limbo.
     
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  5. roslolian

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    The more they play him the more his trade value goes down cuz he is a scrub.

    41% TS, 1 pt in 18 mins yeah playing him def increased that trade value :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Rokman

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    He really does need to be in the G League if they are hoping to get to use him come playoff time. He needs to get his game repaired and should spend 6 weeks or so working things out.
     
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  7. CantStopJG24

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    It's actually the opposite. The more they play him, the worse his value gets. His value was the highest after summer league. If we were to trade him after summer league, we would be able to use him as the centerpiece in a trade.
     
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  8. Bryant2108

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    He’s definitely going to be a bust with no playing time.

    looking back at his minutes these last 9 games:

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    That is almost laughably random. Like I get that Ime wants his guys to earn minutes, but jeez. Either play the rook and point out his mistakes and help him work through them, or send him down. Don’t yank him when he makes a mistake or two, that probably doesn’t help his confidence, I’m guessing. In 5 of those games (obv including the 4 with 0 minutes), 0 shot attempts. 1 attempt another game. Then he had that 1-7 and 0-8 stretch which seemed to have led to the 4 minutes in 3 games. There really is no sense in keeping him here if you aren’t at least getting him 10-15 minutes. Not sure why he hasn’t been sent to the G league at this point. Let him run around out there and get his confidence. Pretty dumb to just let your #3 pick sit at the end of the bench, even on a pretty good team.
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    I know you guys are too dumb to know how small samples skew statistics, but literally 6 made 3's would have his shooting numbers looking amazing.

    That's on top of his solid to good play everywhere else.

    Honestly if you're going to be such a casual, why try talking hoops in the first place?
     
  10. CantStopJG24

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    yea you're right. Reed has been amazing.

    Go find the Kentucky board and be a fan boy over there

    If he made 6 straight 3s, he would be shooting 34% from 3. AMAZING!

    Not only are you stupid, illogical and bad at math but you also think a 34% shooter is elite. lmao.

    If Jalen made his 15 next shots, he'd be Curry level shooting using your logic.
     
  11. YaoMac09

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    The biggest risk of sending Reed to the G-League is that if he plays well Ime won’t be able to help FVV break the minutes record.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Smh here i am yet again trying to talk basketball with a casual.

    Don't worry kid, I'm sure you'll figure it out one day.
     
  13. roslolian

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    No it won't. You think Brickpard's attempts don't increase when he makes a 3?
    You fail basic math.

    Solid good play everywhere else? You mean his negative defensive rating? 1 reb and 1 ast a night? 6 fta in 30 games?

    Bruh. You straight up tweaking your boy getting what he deserves, DNP- CD.
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6027396/2025/01/02/nba-draft-2024-rookies-spurs-rockets-grizzlies/

    Sam Vecenie: Yeah, I’m not worried about Sheppard at this point. I didn’t see much of a path to a significant role for him this season due to the presence of Fred VanVleet and knowing the role Jalen Green would play on this team. Those two were always going to have heavy usage within this group, and this season was always going to be a physical adjustment for Sheppard.

    Due to the size issues, you can’t play Sheppard with VanVleet — who, despite his shooting struggles, plays 35 minutes per game because he’s excellent at organizing the offense and communicating on defense while fighting through screens. VanVleet has still been worth about 4.5 wins this year according to DunksandThrees’s Estimated Plus Minus-based model, a number that has him currently ranked No. 11 in the NBA. That’s wildly aggressive and I wouldn’t have VanVleet near that mark, but he’s still an above-average starting point guard. And, even though Green has improved a bit as a defender this season, I wouldn’t trust a team’s backcourt decision-making if they were playing a rookie lead guard and Green.

    The minutes were unlikely to be there for Sheppard this year unless he was a top-100 player in the league from the jump, which rookies rarely are. On top of that, the continued emergence of Amen Thompson, with his ability to be a secondary playmaker on the court, along with Alperen Şengün’s skill when Houston runs its offense through him, mean the Rockets can stagger the minutes of VanVleet, Green, Thompson and Şengün to ensure the team has enough creativity on the court. That reduces the impact of a true “backup point guard.”

    Would it be better if the Sheppard who played in summer league showed up and his play demanded he enter the lineup? Of course. But it doesn’t feel like he’s had a settled role at any point this year, either. The peripherals of the on/off numbers don’t look that bad when you dig into the weeds. The team shoots better from both 2-point and 3-point range when he’s on the court. They have a better true shooting percentage. Overall, the shot quality is about the same, per PBPStats.com. The big things that seem to be dragging Sheppard’s on/off numbers down are rebounding and turnovers. The team gets fewer offensive and defensive rebounds when he’s out there, which isn’t his fault. They’re converting an inordinately low number of their second-chance opportunities when he’s on the court. The second issue is the team also turns the ball over more when he’s on the court. That could easily be construed as his fault given he’s the point guard, but he’s also only averaging 1.8 turnovers per 36 minutes. So that’s not particularly fair, either.

    For me, the main scouting-based issues are on defense, where he struggles to guard anyone on the ball. For that, he needs to get stronger, which we knew was going to be an issue—especially when playing for a defensive-minded coach like Udoka. This is a real concern that needs targeted improvement.

    But overall, none of this seems worrisome. Sheppard is a top-three pick drafted onto a team that has been in the top four in the Western Conference all season long. It’s hard for one-and-done rookies to establish themselves in roles under those circumstances. I’d preach patience at this point with Sheppard. My guess is he looks drastically better in 2025-26. The shooting, passing and ball-screen skills we saw in summer league still project well at the next level.

    Would you advocate for Sheppard to time in the G League? Or is it better developmentally to spend his time with the Rockets, regardless of whether he’s getting consistent minutes or not?

    Vecenie: Spending time in both arenas would make sense. Give him a few games here and there in Rio Grande Valley to get on-ball reps and let him play through some mistakes while getting adjusted to the increased athleticism of the pro game. Also, regularly bring him back to the Rockets to make sure he’s on the right track in terms of strength training while also giving him a chance to see the NBA game up close. It doesn’t feel like it has to be an either/or situation; the solution should include both.
     
  15. ChrisBosh

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    It's too early to say what this guy will be. I think all we know is he is not currently ready for the NBA. He needs to go to the G league and build up his confidence and get some playing time.
     
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    Vecenie was looking at the EXPECTED EPM instead of the ACTUAL EPM for FVV.

    Still, FVV was ranked 15th, not 11th on that.

    https://www.dunksandthrees.com/epm

    When you go to actual EPM, he is ranked 23rd (with Sengun being the best-ranked Rocket at 22).

    https://www.dunksandthrees.com/epm/actual

    Other than that, I totally agree with Vecenie's take. Totally reasonable.
     
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    There go that man!!!

     
  18. vince

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    I am not here to defend Reed, but his problem has been his offense, his defense hasn’t been as bad as some would like to think. For the season he has posted an overall .3 Win Share. He has a .6 defensive win share and a -.3 offensive Win share.
     
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    Holiday and Tate are playing because Amen and Tari are out and in the case of Holiday because Reed hasn't been able to make a shot. Ime and Stone are being delusional about the playoffs and what it would mean for this team. We should be developing our young guys including Reed. Tate is an insurance plan for Tari being out long term. No reason to trade him unless you need his salary to match. If they are not going to play Reed he needs to be at RGV. He has very little trade value right now.
     
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    Jalen was handed starter minutes.

    If Reed took as many shots as Jalen he would probably score about the same.
     
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