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Rockets acquire Suns picks, return Nets picks to Brooklyn

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Jun 25, 2024.

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  1. mac_got_this

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    They could’ve been trade him and ice love nothing more if they did, but I’m just being cautiously realistic about the situation as it pertains to the draft pick they owe us
     
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    I feel like the only real chance of this Suns team being a lottery team is if KD and/or Booker go down for an extended period. They're better than their record indicates. Still not a big fan of the trade we made honestly--Brooklyn is clearly a low/mid lottery team in the next couple of pretty strong draft classes, and would have been even with Mikal Bridges, who has seriously declined--but maybe that will change.
     
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    The argument is that the suns are way over the apron paying massive amounts of tax for their roster. If they don’t make it far in the playoffs ownership may want to burn it all down and start over. Beal has a no trade clause so he’s not going anywhere. Meaning Durant and Booker will be dumped for assets. And we have the phoenix picks, perfect for a tanking team wanting to quick rebuild.
     
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    Beal is kinda the perfect “rebuild star.” Large contract to help meet the minimum, will put up points but won’t really help with winning, etc.
     
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    Phoenix loses again….
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    Nets had to trade everyone cuz they werent tanking enough. They would be a play in team easy of they kept Bridges.

    Rox only traded back 1 swap and 1 pick. Not sure when the swap is but the pick is next year and PHX is already 12th pick. Thats the low/mid lottery pick you were expecting so really we just lost the swap. In 2026 Simmons is off their books so they wont be that bad anymore they have another max contract in capspace.

    The reality is we already got Cam, Tari and Sheppard. Those picks were already running out and were supposed to be gone by 2027. With the trade we got our picks and swaps flowing till 2029.
     
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    I made the same mistake in memory as you until I researched further. Cam was part of a pick from the Clippers via Milwaukee. Essentially, we gained 10 spots that year for trading Gordon, but Cam was not part of BKN's debt.
     
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    Kevin Durant is the second best player of his generation - however he is 36 years old and is playing 36 minutes a night. He has played more than 55 games in a season once in the last 5 years.

    There is a very good chance he misses extended time at some point this season playing so many minutes, at his age and with his medical history.

    The Suns best bet is to trade Beal for another underperforming star and I think they will play better.
     
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    They should definitely blow it up.

    The good news is that they have to deal with us first to get the 2025 pick back. A chance we can upgrade Green to Booker or Durant!

    Having done that, I imagine they could get a stack of assets for the other of the two, and potentially farm off some of the vets for minor assets.
     
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    Hmm you are right. In that case Tari and Brickpard are the returns from Harden so far as well as the 2027 pick or swap (forgot which).

    Anything else remaining from the Harden trade besides those and the PHX picks?
     
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    Who will want Beal though? Making the max, always injured, old and playing like a scrub. PHX dont have any assets for a trade we and Nets own all their picks and swaps.
     
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    Beal is going nowhere, he has a NTC too. So unless a contender wants the worst contract in the NBA, the Suns are stuck with him.
     
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    Suns are pretty stuck. Honestly makes me wonder if its worth just keeping all these picks and swaps since they will most likely be high lotto in a couple of years. We will also have the 2027 nets pick which will also be a high lotto unless Nets can tear down and rebuild in just 2 yrs.
     
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    Booker has been pretty meh the past two years and KD is 36. Unless the Suns can get an insane return for one of those two guys that would let them instantly reload and compete those picks might be more valuable than either Booker or KD.
     
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    https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/st...set-rankings-seven-year-outlooks-all-30-teams

    1. Oklahoma City Thunder

    Out of the group of five teams that control the 2025 draft's first round, no team is better positioned than OKC to win now and have sustainable success in the future. Because of the six first-round picks acquired from other teams and two years of swaps with the LA Clippers, the Thunder could select in the lottery and also finish each season with one of the best records in the NBA.

    Incoming first-round picks: 13
    ▪All seven of their own
    ▪Unprotected from LA Clippers (2026)
    ▪Top-4 protected from Houston (2026)
    ▪Top-10 protected from Utah (2025, top-8 in 2026)
    ▪Top-14 protected from Miami (2025, unprotected in 2026)
    ▪Top-6 protected from Philadelphia (2025, top-4 protected in 2026 and 2027)
    ▪Top-5 protected from Denver (2027, top-5 protected in 2028)
    ▪Top-5 protected from Denver (2029, if first conveyed in 2027, top 5-protected in 2030 if first is conveyed by 2028)
    ▪Swap rights: LA Clippers (2025 and 2027)
    ▪Swap rights: Houston (2025, top-10 protected)
    ▪Swap rights: Dallas (2028)

    Notes: In 2026, Oklahoma City has two of the most favorable of its own, Houston (if 5-30) and LA Clippers. The least favorable of the three firsts will go to Philadelphia. In 2027, the Thunder can swap the more favorable of their own and Denver (if 6-30) with the LA Clippers.

    Tradable first-round picks: 10
    Second-round picks: 16
    Outgoing first-round picks: None

    2. San Antonio Spurs

    It's quality over quantity for San Antonio, which sits in the second spot of the ranking despite having fewer first-round picks than third-place Brooklyn. The value of the Hawks' unprotected 2025 and 2027 first-round picks and the right to swap a first in 2026 with Atlanta trumps any first-round pick the Nets have accumulated.

    The Spurs' 12 first-round picks and four years of pick swaps should accelerate a rebuild that started when Kawhi Leonard was traded in 2018 and continues with Victor Wembanyama as the face of the franchise.

    Incoming first-round picks: 12
    ▪All seven of their own
    ▪Two unprotected from Atlanta (2025 and 2027)
    ▪Top-14 protected from Charlotte (2025)
    ▪Top-10 protected from Chicago (2025, top-8 protected in 2026 and 2027)
    ▪Unprotected from Minnesota (2031)
    ▪Swap rights: Atlanta (2026)
    ▪Swap rights: Boston (2028, top-1 protected)
    ▪Swap rights: More favorable of Dallas and Minnesota (top-1 protected; 2030)
    ▪Swap rights: Sacramento (2031)

    Tradable first-round picks: (9)
    Second-round picks: (17)
    Outgoing first-round picks: None

    3. Brooklyn Nets

    The Mikal Bridges trade has Brooklyn possessing a league-high 15 first-round picks over the next seven years, including four in the 2025 draft. The trade with Houston also puts the rebuilding Nets back in control of their own first in 2025 and 2026.

    Incoming first-round picks: 15
    ▪All seven of their own
    ▪Four unprotected from New York (2025, 2027, 2029 and 2031)
    ▪Top-5 protected from Milwaukee (2025)
    ▪Least favorable of Phoenix, Houston (if 11-30) and Oklahoma City (2025)
    ▪Top-8 protected from Philadelphia (2027 or 2028)
    ▪Least favorable of Dallas, Phoenix and Houston (2029)
    ▪Swap rights: Phoenix or New York (2028)

    Tradable first-round picks: 12
    Second-round picks: 16
    Outgoing first-round picks: Swap rights with Houston (2027)

    4. Utah Jazz

    The Jazz continue to sit in a holding pattern. Out of the seven first-round picks acquired in the Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell blockbuster trades, only one has been conveyed. Utah drafted guard Keyonte George with the 2023 first-round pick from Minnesota. Utah does have the same number of first-round picks as the Thunder, including five unprotected, but the Jazz lack a franchise player to fast-forward their rebuild.

    Incoming first-round picks: 13
    ▪Six of their next seven own
    ▪Two unprotected from Minnesota (2025, 2027)
    ▪Three unprotected from Cleveland (2025, 2027, 2029)
    ▪Top-5 protected from Los Angeles Lakers (2027)
    ▪Top-5 protected from Minnesota (2029)
    ▪Swap rights: Minnesota or Cleveland (2026) and Cleveland (2028)

    Tradable first-round picks: 9
    Second-round picks: 3
    Outgoing first-round picks: Top-10 protected to Oklahoma City (2025, top-8 in 2026, else a 2028 second-round pick)

    5. Houston Rockets

    The Rockets do not have the quantity of first-round picks like the four teams mentioned above. But, like Oklahoma City, Houston has a roster that can compete for a playoff spot this season. It picked up four draft assets as part of the trade with Brooklyn, including an unprotected first from Phoenix in 2027. One disadvantage Houston continues to face is that Oklahoma City controls their first-round picks in the next two years.

    Incoming first-round picks: 9
    ▪Own first in 2025, 2026 (if 1-4), 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030 and 2031
    ▪Unprotected first from Phoenix (2027)
    ▪Two of the more favorable firsts of own, Dallas and Phoenix (2029)
    ▪The more favorable first-round swap of Phoenix (2025) and less favorable of own (if 11-30) and Oklahoma City; other to Brooklyn
    ▪First-round swap with Brooklyn (2027)

    Tradable first-round picks: 4
    Second-round picks: 5
    Outgoing first-round picks: Top-10-protected swap with Oklahoma City (2025); top-4-protected first to Oklahoma City (2026)

    6. Charlotte Hornets
    7. Washington Wizards
    8. Orlando Magic
    9. Toronto Raptors
    10. Memphis Grizzlies
    11. New Orleans Pelicans
    12. Atlanta Hawks
    13. Philadelphia 76ers
    14. Portland Trail Blazers
    15. Detroit Pistons
    16. Indiana Pacers
    17. Boston Celtics
    18. Golden State Warriors
    19. Chicago Bulls
    20. Los Angeles Lakers
    21. Dallas Mavericks
    22. New York Knicks
    23. Sacramento Kings

    The first sent to Atlanta as part of the Kevin Huerter trade still hinders how many picks Sacramento can include.

    Because there is top-12 protection this year and top-10 in 2026, the first allowable year a pick can be sent out is in 2028. That means Sacramento has a maximum of two allowable firsts to trade.

    The Kings pool of second draft assets have also diminished.

    In the last two trades, Sacramento sent out four seconds and had two remaining.

    Incoming first round picks: (6)
    ▪2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031

    Tradable first-round picks: (2)
    Second-round picks: (1)
    Outgoing first round picks: Top-12 protected first to Atlanta (2025, top-10 protected in 2026). Swap rights with San Antonio (2031).

    24. Cleveland Cavaliers
    25. Minnesota Timberwolves
    26. Phoenix Suns

    The Suns mortgaged their first-round picks in the Kevin Durant and Chris Paul trades. They have four firsts in the next seven seasons but can only swap or trade their 2031 first. The 2024 draft-night trade to move back six spots in the first round (they would select Ryan Dunn), netted Phoenix three valuable second-rounders from Denver.

    Incoming first round picks: 4
    ▪2026, 2028, 2030, 2031

    Tradable first-round picks: 1
    Second-round picks: 3
    Outgoing first round picks: Unprotected first to Houston or Brooklyn (2025); unprotected first to Houston (2027); unprotected first to Houston or Brooklyn (2029); swap rights with Orlando, Washington (if 1-8) and Memphis (2026); swap rights with Washington, Brooklyn, New York (2028); swap rights with Washington and Memphis (2030).

    27. Miami Heat

    Miami has five firsts in the next seven years but are restricted in what they can send in a trade. Because there is protection on the pick owed to Oklahoma City (2025) and Charlotte (two years after first to the Thunder is sent), the earliest Miami can trade a first is in 2030. The Heat could trade their 2029 and 2031 first but that would require them to eliminate the protections on those picks. The firsts were used in the Jimmy Butler (sent to the Clippers and rerouted to Oklahoma City) and Terry Rozier trades.

    Incoming first round picks: 5
    ▪2026, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031

    Tradable first-round picks: 1
    Second-round picks: 3
    Outgoing first round picks: Top-14 protected first to Oklahoma City (2025, unprotected in 2026); top-14 protected first to Charlotte (2027, unprotected in 2028).

    28. LA Clippers
    29. Milwaukee Bucks
    30. Denver Nuggets

    The Nuggets parlayed future first-round picks for two reasons; to put a championship roster around MVP Nikola Jokic, and to put a foundation in place with young players. The three outstanding firsts still owed turned into Aaron Gordon, Peyton Watson, Julian Strawther, Jalen Pickett and Hunter Tyson.

    As a result, Denver has no first-round picks available to trade (unless the conditions to Oklahoma City are met by 2029) and one second.

    Incoming first round picks: 4
    ▪Own first in 2026, 2028, 2030, 2031 (Note: The only first that can be swapped is in 2031.)

    Tradable first-round picks: None
    Second-round picks: 1
    Outgoing first round picks: Top-5 protected first to Orlando (2025, top-5 protected in 2026, 2027); top-5 protected first to Oklahoma City (2027, top-5 protected in 2028, 2029); top-5 protected first to Oklahoma City (2029, top-5 protected in 2030).
     
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    Why would anyone take on Beal's contract? The answer is they won't and Beal has a no trade clause. Getting Beal was the nail in the coffin of Phoenix's chance of a ring. The best they can hope for is trading Beal at the deadline in 27/28 and Beal would have to agree to it. No one is going to take on 57M a year for 2 more years. If the Suns don't make the playoffs this year they will try and trade Durant and failing that they will trade Booker. It is their only way out. I'm not sure, I want either one on the Rockets.

    I can't believe they aren't having a fire sale this deadline. The next 2 drafts are loaded. If they don't do something this year or next they are going to be meh for a decade.
     
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    Super interesting. The Jazz ranking threw me for a loop. I get that they have a ton of picks, but they don’t really have much besides Lauri. And no one really wants to play in Utah.

    the Brooklyn ranking was also very surprising, and just reinforces my belief that Stone should have gotten more in that trade giving Brooklyn their picks back. I can’t say I agree with the Jazz and the Nets being ahead of Houston on this list. But I definitely believe that those teams have done a better job of accumulating and managing assets. No idea if they can turn those assets into star players, but they have the picks to compete with most any trade offers.

    Houston is in a tough position because with the trade compensation inflation we’ve seen over the last several years, we probably still need to keep filling our coffers. But we are a winning team so accumulating future assets at the expense of winning this season is unthinkable. But Fred is going to expire for nothing and Jalen’s trade value is low because of the extension. It would be great to turn both of those players into a core piece without dipping into the assets we’ll need to make a contending trade.

    Our big liabilities continue to be the terrible Morey CP3 Westbrook trade, and the Jalen Green extension.
     
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