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Argentina elects libertarian president Javier Milei - Update: Netherlands

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Nov 19, 2023.

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    Yeah sacrificing 5 million Argentineans who are now in poverty due to gutting social programs, which increasing the chances they turn to crime. What a long term way to make the country worse.
     
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    Socialism always leads to poverty. See:Cuba, Venezuela

    The only thing that lifts people out of poverty is economic freedom. See: All the former Communist Warsaw pact countries which embraced varying degrees of capitalism after the fall of the iron curtain.

    Your numbers are made up. "Social programs" need to be funded by something. Argentina's economy had already collapsed. Inflation was through the roof - that's what caused poverty.

    Milei is fixing it.
     
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    Often socialism/communism are 'reactionary' movements due to untalented capital holders creating massive wealth division that are unsustainable creating conflict and tension.

    The irony of capitalism is that if it was a great system, cries for socialism would never exist.
     
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    Poverty is often more likely created due to capital holders extracting wealth from laborers disproportionate to the value the capital holders provide to society+very little) which create situations where laborers can't meet basic needs through their own labor which causes tension and conflict.
     
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    Workers are usually the ones who most advocate for socialism as it's when workers own the means of production. Usually it's business owners that are most against socialism.

    In socialism the design engineer is more wealthy and famous than the adminstrator role(executive/CEO role)

    In socialism becoming wealthy off your own work is praised. So artists, athletes, wage workers, engineers, scientists etc who becomes worthy from their own labor are praised. In socialism you cannot become wealthy from just owning stuff and "investing". In your actually have to do the work to become wealthy.
     
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    When Eugene Stoner (inventor of the AR-10, AR-15, etc.) met Mikhail Kalashnikov (inventor of the AK-47), Kalashnikov commented that Stoner had arrived on his own plane, while Kalashnikov could not afford to purchase his own ticket. Eventually, after socialism was abandoned in Russia, Kalashnikov was able to make money on appearances from his fame in a capitalist society, winding up a millionaire.
     
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    Socialists don't care about people making money from "appearances".

    They care about people who make money from exploiting labor and sitting on their asses all day "investing".

    A artist becoming wealthy from selling out concerts is not the same thing as a majority shareholder of Boeing with zero engineering background making decisions to extract as much wealth as possible before the engineering part of the company gets hallowed out and turns into a glorified finance company.
     
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    I understand you can't actually form arguments.
     
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    You missed the point. Stoner and Kalashnikov did essentially the same thing. They invented one very successful product. The one that did it in a socialist country remained poor. The one that lived in a capitalist country became rich. It is the opposite of the claim you made, that the engineers and inventers are rewarded more in socialist countries. No one intelligent cares about communists and their nonsense labor theory of value. I couldn't care less what socialists care about or who they think is being exploited.
     
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    How many hundreds of thousands have hazarded the dangers of the open ocean attempting to flee Communist Cuba to live in the capitalist United States?

    How many hazarded their lives to escape the Communist soviet block to escape to the capitalist West?
     
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    The largest advancements in scientific and technological endeavors have been done by career salaried professionals with extreme levels of intellectual curiosity without stock options.

    How many stock options did John B Goodenough have when he invented the lithium ion battery, you know the actual invention that makes the modern electric car actually be viable.

    Relativistic physics... What stock options did the scientists who discovered this theory receive?
     

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