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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. tinman

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    Biden also is a brainless vessel with some woke entity controlling his actions
    He probably thinks he pardoned Shamu for killing a baby seal
     
  2. Ottomaton

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    Probably because some people have ethical concerns about the death penalty, and some have even greater concerns about how the felon might push through ethical restraints and checks and balances and force through a whole bunch of executions as a bread-and-circuses prop to show how tough he is.

    I appreciate that you love the death penalty. I hope you can understand that many people all over the country and the world don't and have very strong ethical objections.

    Personally, I dont mind as long as its done without malace, and I'd even view the death penalty as the easy way out if I were offered life in prison, but again, I understand different people have different beliefs.
     
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  3. ThatBoyNick

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    Who said I love it? I noted that it has a major, major flaw.

    I questioned why THAT particular case was commuted, the guy who raped and killed 2 kids under 10, and a young woman, and your replying with ethical concerns about the death penalty in general (why was this concern not considered for the 3 mass murderers kept on death row?) and then you mention Trump, and then you tell me I love it.

    That's bullshit, Otto. If it's purely about the ethics of death sentencing, those other 3 would have been commuted as well. This was picking and choosing, and they deemed this guy was "innocent" enough in comparison to the other 3. Why should the president medle in such a subjective way?

    A thoughtful response would be appreciated.
     
  4. Ottomaton

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    Again, all about who Trunp would use as a prop. That's where I would be concerned. Also, Biden is balancing multiple viewpoints. Im sure some of his advisors counciled for all, and some for none. I assume this was his best compromise. We can get into a discussion of the shifting nature of the presidency towards autocracy in the last century, but I assume that is a bit outside the scope of what you'd like to talk about.

    If you think they are making up the whole ethical angle we really have nothing more to discuss. I guarantee you at least one person close to the President counciled for commuting all of them.
     
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  5. ThatBoyNick

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    I don't understand why the opinions of advisors supersedes the justice system, why there is a subjective balancing and compromising of viewpoints amongst politicians that leads to commuting some cases and not others, it almost seems as if there should a trial for each case right?

    I'm saying the whole ethicality of the system of death sentencing system angle is 100%, absolutely ruined when they decided to not commute everybody. At that point they were making merit based, wholly subjective choices, and inside that framework, they decided the guy who murdered and raped kids was innocent enough to commute. Kangaroo court, IMO.

    And you avoided it, but again you also accused me of loving the death sentence, if you'd like the redact that you could.
     
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  6. Ottomaton

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    You'd probably need to take it up with whomever wrote that clause in the constitutuon. None of the restrictions that you appear to believe should apply appear to actually apply to that power granted by the founding fathers and never have as far as I can tell. The constitution places absolutely no explict, or as far as I can tell implicit restrictions on his ability to use that power save for impeachment. It appears to have been been the way it is for 248 years give or take.
     
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  7. ThatBoyNick

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    Generally not a fan of this as a function, and also not a fan of the way it was mostly recently applied.

    There are tons of countries with no death sentencing. For example, Anders Breivik killed 77 people in Norway, mostly teenagers at a summer camp. He gets Xbox and playstation(he's complained about not having newer games), he's enrolled in political science courses, and has become a self proclaimed Nazi while in prison.

    I honestly really struggle with the thought of all those people having their lives ended in horrific, painful, and fearful deaths, with him here today, dickin around. But, I can respect that as a system, they don't operate in vengeance nor punishment. It's purely rehabilitation, and crime prevention. This might be the best system, I don't know. But at least they don't willy nilly pick and choose based off political whims before the next president comes in office.
     
  8. HTM

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    I don't have a problem with the death penalty.

    Historically, Christianity has not either. It's a dumb "gotcha" to try and play that.
     
  9. tinman

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    When the pope dropped the crusades and the knights of the Templar went medieval on the enemies
    They didn’t give a damn either breh
     
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    Some people really deserve to die. I'm not saying all bloodthirsty murderers though some can't be rehabbed or allowed to rejoin society. Prisons would probably be better off with less psychopaths.

    The amount of money spent on a death penalty case/prisoner is also bananas, but we live with a flawed justice system where people who don't "deserve" to die can get executed while others get away scott free or have the means to plea down to a lessor count.
     
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    It saves tax payers money to not have murderers alive
     
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    And americans don't seem to want high paying tech jobs! Interesting.

    It isn't that companies want to pay lower wages to second class serfs they import at all. They aren't greedy at all!

    H1B locks foreign workers in to a company at reduced pay for years until they get permanent residency. Their status is tied to their employment. It is serfdom designed to undercut american citizen's wages.
     
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    Did Mexico pay for those?

    Maybe Democrats should call you and explain the difference between the expansive border wall along the US/Mexico border and the narrow territorial border with those nations.
     
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    Who said “all long”? Who said every millimeter?

    We had like 700 miles of border wall before Trump took office.

    Clearly walls are thought of by people all over the world as an effective tool to control the movement of persons.

    But Trump suggests it so you freak out because you’re a child.
     
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    It is what Trump called for.

    Stop being lazy and claiming the only reason I or anyone would be against it is because it was a Trump idea. That's just a lazy way of avoiding looking at the actual issues.
     
  17. HTM

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    Stop being lazy and disingenuous and attempting to make any suggestion of a southern border wall the most extreme or improbable version of such a concept.

    People build walls to keep people out of other places. Have done for thousands of years.

    Countries build them on their borders all the time.

    The US had 700 miles of border wall before Trump took office.

    The expansion and development of such a wall is completely reasonable.
     
  18. Nook

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    Is she a Danish citizen? If she isn’t - then deport her if that’s what Denmark wants to do.

    I think it is immoral to wholesale throw all immigrants you invited to your country out - but I also believe that if someone isn’t a citizen yet and calls for violence and the overthrowing of a democratically elected government - then you are arguably a threat to the people and it if fair to deport them.

    The USA doesn’t really have these issues. There are small cells of pockets of immigrants historically that wanted to overthrow the state - but the overwhelming majority of immigrants have not felt that way… there were some Italians and Russian Jews that were anarchists that wanted to over throw the government over 100 years ago but they denounced and turned in by other immigrants… there were some post 911 Muslims but it was a very small number and they were secret about their views because their own communities turned them in.

    The US people have tension with immigrants from time to time historically but not like Europe has - Europe sucks at immigration IMO.

    Having said that - if Americans had immigrants marching in the street often calling for the murder of Americans and overthrowing the government - most Americans would want them deported… and I would understand why.

    Immigration in Western Europe is awkward all the way around… Western Europeans don’t seem to know how to act with immigrants.
     
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    In the USA - a man would have confronted that guy - at least a guy over 30 would- and he would have shut up or he would be popped in the face until he shut up.

    Just cultural differences I guess… Americans are very accepting of differences in someways, but across the board there are somethings that are not tolerated.
     
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    Woke clowns don’t understand walls breh. They failed history so that’s why they seemed to forget the mother of all walls that was built 3 thousand years ago by the Chinese Han.
     

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