Dr Fauci trusted China's data and concluded COVID is just a more serious flu back in Feb 28

no, I get it. The Easter Bunny is real, Santa Claus is real, Hunter's laptop is not real, Joe Biden is sharp as a tack, and the Wuhan virus came from a farmer's market.

there. I think I got them all

 

It is a conspiracy theory, just far more plausible than the average conspiracy theory.

 

Fauci said otherwise in his congressional testimony

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fa...leak-theory-before-us-house-panel-2024-06-03/

One could just call it a theory

 

What he is saying that the possibility of being a lab leak is not a conspiracy theory.

Saying that it was likely a lab leak or that it was a lab leak and they are hiding something IS a conspiracy theory.

 

Lol. The virus almost certainly did not come from a farmers market.

Nor did it likely come from the lab. The chances it originated in Wuhan is extraordinarily small. Wuhan is just where it blew up.


They look at the DNA of the virus, and can tell it doesn't match ANY lab virus backbone. The sequences could not have been derived from what was used in a lab - it is completely new - thus the name - the NOVEL coronavirus. That's why a lab leak is unlikely.

 

This will make it more compelling

 

"they are hiding something" I'm not touching, sure that can be a conspiracy.

Saying that one believes it was likely a lab leak means one believes that theory is most likely. That isn't a conspiracy.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/12/27/opini...ity-would-suppress-key-covid-origin-research/

Who decided the US intelligence community would suppress key COVID-origin research?
By
Post Editorial Board
Published Dec. 27, 2024, 6:15 p.m. ET

News that top US intelligence officials in 2021 suppressed research pointing to a Chinese lab leak as COVID’s origin raises two key questions: Exactly who, and why?

That is, who made the call to keep Defense Department and FBI input out of the August 2021 briefing to President Biden on the issue, and out of the resulting official federal finding that COVID most likely arose naturally?

And, indeed, to also block Sen. Charles Grassley’s requests for the Defense research?

We know that Dr. Anthony Fauci and his public-health cronies had fought from the start to discredit all lab-leak talk.

Their motive is obvious enough: Since they’d funded related (at least) research at that Wuhan lab, they feared a backlash — against them personally, and/or against such research and its funding.

But why would the US intelligence community cover for Beijing, which would clearly bear the chief blame for cooking up a plague and then unleashing it on an unsuspecting world?

The most likely explanation is that someone decided that the rest of the world would also blame the US government as a whole, maybe even more than it did China’s rulers — so it was best to cover the whole thing up.

It might have been within President Biden’s legitimate powers to make that call, but no one else’s.

Not the mysterious coterie of White House aides who’ve made so many important decisions under this enfeebled prez, nor Avril Haines, the director of National Intelligence who led the review that produced the deceptive “consensus” finding, nor any other intel big.

The purpose of every US intelligence agency is provide the best possible information up the chain of command, so the president and his chosen representatives can make the best possible decisions.

Anyone who instead controls (distorts!) that information in order to influence those decisions is usurping power, betraying his or her duty and the entire nation.

Congress, along with President-elect Trump’s intel team, clearly needs to get to the bottom of this. It’s not just that heads must roll, but that the rot must be excised from every agency that aims to secretly choose the nation’s course.

An “intelligence community” that can’t be trusted to tell the truth is worse than having no intel agencies at all.

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It's in the monster coronavirus thread but there was a debate within the scientific medical community over the amount of blame to heap on China. It's just that they knew fighting with China would mean they'd lose access to ground zero and all of the data Chinese scientists magically sequenced "within a few months." Since nothing was known about the novel virus, the global scientific community chose silence under the front of global scientific solidarity. Well the danger has passed but the culprits are still burying their skeletons

The CCP had already made an example with Taiwan by denying them WHO access and international support. Taiwan had been claiming China had atypical pneumonia outbreaks in Wuhan at the end of 2019 and was largely ignored by the WHO.

Fauci has obfuscated his role from the start regarding funding gain of function research at Wuhan. We don't know for sure if he had direct involvement with COVID research but he had mentioned using GoF with SARS to prevent the next outbreak. It's definitely related though it's not certain how many degrees of Kevin Bacon there are. Ask what Rand Paul thinks...

Outsourcing dangerous practices For The Science was grossly misguided and myopic to say the least.

What we get is this
Three scientists there—John Hardham, Robert Cutlip and Jean-Paul Chretien—conducted a genomic analysis that concluded that the virus had been manipulated in a laboratory. Specifically they concluded that a segment of the “spike protein” that enables the virus to gain entry into human cells was constructed using techniques developed in the Wuhan lab that were described in a 2008 Chinese scientific paper. That was an indication, they argued, that the Chinese scientists were conducting “gain of function” research to see if the virus could infect humans.

 

Yes it is. Because you are believing in something that contradicts all available evidence due to a mistrust of the "system" or whatever. That's the whole idea of a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories aren't impossible, they are just implausible or very unlikely and fly in the face of all available evidence.

That is exactly what the lab leak theory is. It's possible there were other actors in the assassination of JFK. But all the alternative explanations are considered conspiracy theories.

 

If you read the original wsj article that you quoted, there were two competing theories among our agencies, but the less politically popular one became sidelined and shelved from the presidents eye's.

That's big when you are defining a conspiracy theory as "something that contradicts all available evidence."

I'll acknowledge that the lab leak means many things to many people. Some like Trump believes theres malfeasance while others think the negligence already exhibited by Wuhan lab researchers was trouble waiting to happen.

Some conclusions reached can be conspiracy theories but the wuhan lab origin/leak is not a conspiracy theory as the media was trying to skew it for several years.

Shoehorning everything under it as a conspiracy theory is pretty lazy and is opposite of the nature of gathering all available evidence to verify or reject,

 

I can't speak to the politics of what happened, but the actual evidence is that it was not genetically engineered. A lot of circumstantial evidence in that report nothing that should point to a lab leak which to me was pretty irresponsible for "scientists" to conclude and questions how much their bias played a role.

Far more likely than the virus being engineered is that a scientist collecting samples in the wild got infected and brought it back to Wuhan and kicked off the pandemic. That's is far more probably than a lab leak. Maybe one of the samples was leaked - but far less likely. But the whole gain of function stuff doesn't make sense because if that were the case the virus wouldn't be novel.

 

Gain of function is not genetic engineering.

 

Don’t forget Jeremy Lin’s airballs count as points

 

don't forget that Daryl Morey refused to re-signed established PG Goran Dragic

• in order to finance a poisoned-pilled FA contract to the 3-week flash-in-the-pan J Lin,
  • gaslighting Rox fan that Lin was the 2nd coming of Iverson/CP3

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and when the experiment went sour, Morey bribed the Lakers with a 1st & 2nd rounder to pick up the last year of Lin's contract.

 

You are still starting from a virus chain that is known and sequenced. Gain of function isn't going to change the sequence so much it appears wild.

 

I never saw it, I never met that woman, I don't know him, never admits he is wrong, always shifts the blame....and on and on it goes. I did nothing wrong!

 

I was mistaken. I was thinking of some specific techniques target mutations or change the host cell with chimeras, but there are other deliberate techniques with GM like modifying bits with crispr. They are similar, but not the same.

Details from the FBI paper aren't public, so we don't know the techniques they used to determine how somr spike proteins aren't wild and the chinese paper they source isn't named.

It could be released with the next guy when it's convenient for him

 

Silence of the labs: How a censorship campaign failed to kill a COVID origin theory

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5058339-biden-administration-suppressed-dissent/

 

It should be noted that the report concluded the lab leak was still unlikely. A very strange report not based on any hard evidence.

Also noted is that one of the Chinese scientists that was said it was possible conducted an analysis of all the virus specimens on the lab and could not find a virus that would serve as the ancestor to COVID.

Like I said, it's orders of magnitude more likely that a scientist got infected in the field and brought it back in their bodies than a lab leak.