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Don't Trade Jalen Green Just Yet.....Change is Coming

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ApacheWarrior, Dec 25, 2024.

  1. Hemingway

    Hemingway Member
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    Rocket Chump has two points. 1. Sengun Sucks 2. I want to suck Jalen Green. He's the worst non-racist to ever post on this site.
     
  2. rocketchamp

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    None of Sengun's are rational. Nothing is EVER Alperen Sengun's fault & everyone else's
     
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  3. rocketchamp

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    Senguns is a solid offensive prospect with no individual defense. He needs to add range & better lateral movement to be anywhere near elite. His fans like you are whiny & constant finger pointers
     
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  4. ApacheWarrior

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    Rules back then were you had to be about arms reach from your opponent.

    Bulls introduced the Triangle offense within the paint. Composed of
    MJ, Pippen and Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman

    Who provided spacing? Kerr, BJ Armstrong, John Paxson, Ron Harper, Kukoc.
    Look up their 3-pt percentage.

    In today's NBA you have a few Centers that don't shoot 3's. Jalen happens to be
    stuck on one with Sengun for the past 3 years. Silas had JG4 in a corner and
    Wood and EG froze him out the rest of the time his rookie year.

    1) Suns: Nurkic (24.5 mins) and Plumped (17 mins).........
    but are competitive because they are 4th in team 3P% with 38.4%.

    2) Mavs: Lively/Gafford......
    but they are competitive because they are 6th in team 3P% with 37.7%

    3) Heat: Bam Adebayo.....
    but they are competitive because they are 8th in team 3P% with 37.4%

    4) Nets: Claxton......
    Not competitive but are 10th in 3P%

    5) T-Wolves: Rudy Gobert
    but they are somewhat competitive because of Randall and Naz Reid ability to hit 3's as bigs.
    14th in 3's with an above average 37.0%

    6) Jazz: Kessler 15th in 3's
    7) Pistons: Duren 17th in 3's
    8) Hornets: Mark Williams 21st in 3's
    9) Kings: Sabonis: 24th in 3's
    10) Pels: Missi / Theis 25th in 3's
    11) Blazers: Ayton 26th in 3's
    12) Wiz: Valanciunas 28th in 3's

    #6 thru #12 non competitive because they lack a decent Center who can hit 3's and
    in lower half of teams hitting 3's.

    13) Rockets: Sengun / Steven Adams #29th in 3's...... competitive because of rebounding,
    transition D and O, and pure top two defense.

    14) Magic: Wedell Carter dead last in 3's, but were competitive by using Mortiz
    Wagner at Center x 19 minutes a game. Franz Wagner was facilitating with
    and equally Jalen Green low 3P%.....but now Mortiz is out for the year with
    Banchero and Franz.

    ______________

    Teams are going through the schedule, barely practicing, quick scouting
    reports and film sessions so the Rockets sneak by a d out hustles people.
    But In the playoffs it will be a different animal. Teams will analyze
    us by truly packing the paint and getting 3 or 4 men back to cut
    off the transition points. Our half court offense will depend
    heavily on our 3-point shooting. And as I've said, we are going
    in with a knife to a gun fight.

    The thing that might be helping is, teams tanking for Flagg,
    Denim, Harper, Ace Bailey. Much like the year the Nuggets won
    it recently.

    JALEN GREEN DOESN'T GET THE PHANTOM FOUL CALLS THAT I ALWAYS
    SAW MICHAEL JORDAN GET. Yes I saw MJ come into the league, among
    many others. I watched them first hand.
     
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  5. astrosrule

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    I think you spelled jalen green wrong
     
  6. ApacheWarrior

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    Current: (before games today)

    Player...(24/25).....freq at....0 - 3.......3 - 10 ft..........10 - 16 ft
    Anthony Edwards:..................15.5..........16.7...................08.9
    Jalen Green:...........................21.5...........16.8..................04.5

    Player....(24/25).....FG% at....0 - 3.......3 - 10 ft.........10 - 16 ft
    Anthony Edwards:....................66.7.........42.6..................32.0
    Jalen Green:..............................72.3.........39.2...................23.8
    basketball-reference.com

    @Tuckmose so yes Ant man does have a higher FG% at 3 to 16 feet, but
    Jalen Green gets to 0-3 feet more often and sports a higher FG% than
    Ant man this year. Something the Rockets could perfect if they add
    3-point shooters.
     
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    Green has until the end of the year. Still very much an evaluation year for the Rockets and particularly Green.
     
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    Oh please.

    You're lying to yourself if you think that he isn't propped up by the great team defense.

    You wanna know how you should see if he's a good defender or not?

    See how many times he stays in front of his man as opposed to how many times he's behind his man who has blown right by him.

    The past couple of weeks he has gone right back to years 1-3 Jalen in that regard forcing the team defense to scramble in his absence repeatedly.
     
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    Imagine crying about the other 4 players shooting problems........ and ignoring the fact the guy with SHOOTING in his position description is horrid at it.
     
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  10. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I mean dude, sorry to be harsh, but the one dude you wanted gone and said there's no rational reason he'd improve at this age... did improve against all common sense in exactly the way you said it doesn't happen. Brooks is one of the best players on one of the best teams in the NBA at this moment.

    So you'll excuse us if you closing the door on Jalen is not the most convincing thing in the world. As I always say, Udoka is a harsher critic than you and he thinks it's still worth investing starters minutes and $100m in Green like 30 games ago.
     
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  11. Downtown Sniper

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    You are scraping the bottom of the barrel sticking up for Jalen when you have to post those names as a comparison.

    You know why their 3 point woes weren't as big a deal?

    Well for starters, the league wasn't the live and die by the 3 ball league that it is today.

    Secondly, THEY ARE ALL TIME GREATS who still managed to win and be positive players for their teams regardless of their 3 ball.

    Jalen if he isn't hot from 3 is a borderline bench player. Yet here you are comparing him with all time greats.

    And you have the audacity to infer BTG is the dumb one here. This comparison is truly, truly unbelievable. I thought i'd already seen the wildest delusion from Jalen clowns. But this one takes the cake.
     
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  12. Downtown Sniper

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    There has been literally countless posts as this season progresses, from 'Sengun fans' unhappy with his shooting, his turnovers, how he acted on the bench early in the season. And have laid it all at Sengun's feet and not anyone else's.

    You clearly do not live in reality.

    You do know just because you say blatant lies, it doesn't make it come to fruition, right?
     
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  13. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Like he gets to start all year even if he struggles for 2 more months? Doubt it. I think if he doesn't turn it around by the deadline, he'll get benched. If it's an evaluation year, plenty of great prospects off the bench need to be evaluated and to experience starter minutes too.

    Even if he has a good second half, is it enough? That's not progress imo. The only progress in my eyes would be his TS% taking a significant leap. His defense has taken a significant and more unexpected leap already so we're halfway there. Hopefully he tightens up his shot selection and Udoka figures out some better spacing, that's how he's going to get his efficiency higher.
     
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  14. astrosrule

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    All good, i’m just giving my opinions on stuff (based mostly on what data/math says and what i see). I’m certainly gonna be wrong plenty, like anyone else, and i’m never gonna pretend i know everything. Brooks has definitely been better than i expected this season, i expected all his seasons to look like last season. Credit to him for getting in way better shape and shooting better so far this season.
     
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    I'm done arguing with them, just gonna leave them to their delusions .... It's not Jalen's fault he can't shoot.
     
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    That would be the case had they not signed him to a new contract prior to the season, he'll be around for the next three years barring attaching a suns pick or two just to dump him.
     
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    That's why we need to get of fred and get Fox. We are better when we push the pace tbh.
     
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  18. ApacheWarrior

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    I know, that's a little tongue in cheek. But I also know that goes the same for Sengun.

    But remember when Green was a complete turnstile
    and people said Jalen would never even come close
    to being a defender. A complete liability....those saying
    that are the ones lying now.
     
  19. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    We've all been wrong of course, nobody is right all of the time not even the greatest in the game. I'm just saying, stranger things have happened than:

    - a guy who has spent a lot of the past 3-6 months working on his jumper suddenly sees a bump in his efficiency, maybe aided by some tighter shot selection
    - things suddenly click for Jalen Green for at least a month, which can lead to us gaining ground fast in the Western standings
    - Udoka and Green figure out a way to make it 2 months (rather than one hot month) but a little bit smarter and more stable than they did last season
    - Rockets acquire a shooter or one more shooter catches fire (FVV, Sheppard or Green could pop off any second) which leads to good spacing for an extended period which leads to more driving lanes for our slashers
    - Sengun has been working on his shot for 2 summers, he added muscle this summer, his FT% is up, it's not crazy if he settles into like 33% on 2 attempts for the remainder of the season and that would have seismic positive effects on our spacing

    Have faith bro. Udoka is way more pessimistic than us but he believes a change is possible.
     
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  20. ApacheWarrior

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    It's a team sport......and nowadays it's position-less basketball.

    Every position is point guard, point SG, point SF, point PF, point Center.

    Well it's also Shooting point guard, shooting guard, shooting SF,
    shooting PF. shooting C.

    Everyone has to rebound and initiate the fast break, get steals, get blocks, get deflections,
    switch and guard the rim. VanVleet is not a Center but often ends up guarding the rim
    vs Centers.

    You are pampering your favorite players in order to fit your narratives. Get after Amen for
    shooting 29.7% from 3 or Tari for shooting 31.5% or VanVleet for shooting 29.8% from 3, or
    Sengun for shooting 25.0% from 3 (we sent 3 trainers to Turkey to work with him on shooting 3's),
    blame Cam Whitmore for shooting 4.8% from 3 before his stint in the G-league, blame Reed
    Sheppard who was drafted because of 3-point shooting and is shooting 29.7% from 3.

    This team is 29th in the league and there is a lot of blame to go along.....but you just want
    to key in on one player. Obvious bias on your part.
     

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