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[NY Post] Trump wants to buy Greenland, again, after claiming US could take back ownership of Panama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Dec 23, 2024.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    As the Arctic cap continues to thaw out, the Northern sea route will open up and the island itself will have loads of resources to plunder and rape when the only issue that matters to countries is CO2 emissions. Who cares about anything else relating to the environment?

    IIRC, Russia is building 4-ish military ports in the north which would double the number of Russian military ports that matter.

    For Denmark to hold onto that prime real estate, it's kind of implicit we'd back them up through NATO...

    Keep denying Climate Change and you'll be able to scratch them both off sooner, buddy. :D
     
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  2. Nook

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    This again.
     
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    I live in the cold I do not want to pay to be in MORE cold.
    We can swap postcards.
    Mine will be a bikini clad Greek girl.
    I bet yours will not.
     
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  4. durvasa

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    Is Trump a strategic genius? lol.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgzl19n9eko.amp


    Until now Denmark has been very slow to expand its military capacity in Greenland, they say, but if the country is not able to protect waters around the territory against encroachments by China and Russia then US demands for greater control are likely to grow.

    Army Maj Steen Kjaergaard of the Danish Defence Academy suggests it may have been Trump's intention to pressure Denmark into such a move.

    "It is likely to be sparked by the renewed Trump focus on the need for air and maritime control around Greenland and the internal developments in Greenland where some are voicing a will to look towards the US – a new international airport in Nuuk was just inaugurated," he told the BBC.

    "I think Trump is smart… he gets Denmark to prioritise its Arctic military capabilities by raising this voice, without having to take over a very un-American welfare system," he said, referring to Greenland's heavy dependence on subsidies from Copenhagen.​
     
  5. Xerobull

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    @Os Trigonum -Please rename this thread to Trump's Neo-Imperialism Aspirations to fully underscore what we're seeing here.

    This is how it all starts.

    (incidentally and theoretically, if you were playing some sort of 4x game that spanned centuries, a Greenland grab to prep for global warming in several decades isn't a bad idea as there are tons of natural resources, airable farmland and areas for colonization being revealed every day)
     
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  6. Os Trigonum

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    start your own damn thread. Or as they say in the GARM:

    I.D.I.O.T.

    :p

     
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  7. Xerobull

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    This is the thread, but if you want to be obstinate....

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    Trump buying Greenland would be largest US territory acquisition ever — topping even these massive gains

    https://nypost.com/2024/12/24/us-ne...sition-ever-topping-even-these-massive-gains/

    excerpt:

    WASHINGTON, DC — President-elect Donald Trump’s plan to buy Greenland would be the US’s largest territorial addition in history — topping even the 1803 Louisiana Purchase, which nearly doubled America’s size at the time.

    Trump, 78, on Sunday added steam to his push to acquire the Arctic island when he announced PayPal cofounder Ken Howery as his pick to be the US ambassador to Denmark, which has controlled the mammoth territory for more than 300 years.

    “For purposes of National Security and Freedom throughout the World, the United States of America feels that the ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity,” Trump wrote.

    Greenland’s 836,330 square miles slightly exceed the 827,987 square miles that America gained with the Louisiana Purchase, a deal struck between then-President Thomas Jefferson and France.

    Trump’s acquisition also would be more than double the size of President James Polk’s 1845 annexation of the Republic of Texas, which included disputed regions that now are part of neighboring states.

    The proposed Trump administration move would top President Andrew Johnson’s 1867 Alaska purchase’s 591,000 square miles, too.

    Most of sparsely populated Greenland’s 56,000 residents are Inuit — related to other indigenous groups along the northernmost fringe of Canada and Alaska — and in principle have been given permission by Copenhagen under a 2009 law to sever ties should they so choose.
    more at the link
     
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    Tilman helping with the purchase. Jalen gets his own country.
     
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  10. Tomstro

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    Just stop. You just take the left’s position no matter what. You have zero insight. Keep riding bish.
     
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    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2024/12/while-naming-new-ambassador-to-denmark.html


    December 24, 2024
    "[W]hile naming a new ambassador to Denmark — which controls Greenland’s foreign and defense affairs — Mr. Trump made clear on Sunday that his first-term offer to buy the landmass could, in the coming term, become a deal the Danes cannot refuse."

    "He appears to covet Greenland both for its strategic location at a time when the melting of Arctic ice is opening new commercial and naval competition and for its reserves of rare earth minerals needed for advanced technology. 'For purposes of National Security and Freedom throughout the World,' Mr. Trump wrote on social media, 'the United States of America feels that the ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity.' On Saturday evening, he had accused Panama of price-gouging American ships traversing the canal, and suggested that unless that changed, he would abandon the Jimmy Carter-era treaty that returned all control of the canal zone to Panama. 'The fees being charged by Panama are ridiculous,' he wrote, just ahead of an increase in the charges scheduled for Jan. 1. 'This complete ‘rip-off’ of our country will immediately stop.' He went on to express worry that the canal could fall into the 'wrong hands,' an apparent reference to China, the second-largest user of the canal. A Hong Kong-based firm controls two ports near the canal, but China has no control over the canal itself."

    From "Trump’s Wish to Control Greenland and Panama Canal: Not a Joke This Time/In recent days the president-elect has called for asserting U.S. control over the Panama Canal and Greenland, showing that his 'America First' philosophy has an expansionist dimension" (NYT).

    I didn't think it was a joke the first time he talked about Greenland. I don't think it's so much that he's an "expansionist." I think he's looking for American's bad deals and intent on renegotiating them. He's continually complained that other countries are taking advantage of us. Wanting to change that dynamic is not an "expansionist" frame of mind. The United States takes responsibility for the world's security — or purports to — and that exposes us to exploitation. Trump seems to think he's the one to straighten that out. You can say that's a bad idea, but please address that and explain why.

    The NYT brings up the person this made me think of — Theodore Roosevelt: "{Trump's} aggressive interpretation of the phrase {'American First'} evokes the expansionism, or colonialism, of President Theodore Roosevelt, who cemented control of the Philippines after the Spanish-American War. And it reflects the instincts of a real estate developer who suddenly has the power of the world’s largest military to back up his negotiating strategy.

    And that other person — Putin: "When Russia invaded Ukraine, his first response was not a condemnation of the blatant land grab, but rather the observation that President Vladimir V. Putin’s move was an act of 'genius.' Even now, as Mr. Trump seeks a deal to end the war in Ukraine, he has never said that the country’s borders must be restored...."

    Posted by Ann Althouse at 7:04 AM [​IMG]
     
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    I missed the part in "The Art of the Deal" where you announce to the world that acquiring something is an "absolute necessity" before you begin negotiations.
     
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    FIFY
     
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    Don't forget Nook for the past 2 years MAGATs have been calling democrats are neocons and war mongers because we sent aid to Ukraine to help them defend against Russian agression. These MAGATs swore to the world Trump was the "peace" canidate who would end all wars.

    Suddenly now the same MAGATs want to annex Canada, invade panama and then go to war with Denmark. Its honestly hilarious how brainwashed his cultists are
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Whenever I go to negotiate something - I always tell them I must have it.
     
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    Lol no. Some rich guy wants to explore greenland or use to get better access to the arctic ocean / shipping lanes. They gave Trump a lot of money, and so now he is doing what he was paid to do.
     
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    QUESTION: If purchased . . . . would you make it a State?

    Did Elon sign off on this purchase?
    How does his help with cutting down the national Debt?

    Rocket River
     
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