Fox would be a good upgrade to FVV provided Sac don't ask for a Kings ransom for him. Otherwise, just sign him in free agency. Also, it's fun to watch the Kings/Wolves/Suns(we have their pick) absolutely implode. Ant might be asking out soon if we wait long enough. There is no rush to trade for Fox if they want multiple picks and core players.
i completely get the fact that we can’t hold onto our assets forever. It looks like we don’t have a first round pick in 26’. I’m okay keeping and making that 25’ Suns pick; which could be a lotto pick. As long as we land a good prospect that’s still a valuable asset for trade or a useful player to the team. I feel like the deadline to cash in our assets is the 2027 draft or before Cam gets to free agency. So I feel like we’ve got 2 yrs. Someone better than Fox may shake loose.
That’s why I think we need to sit tight (regarding FRPs) until this summer. Phoenix is completely locked with their ability to make moves. If their pick this summer turns out to be a lottery pick, reality is going to set in for them that they are not going to be able to improve and they are going to send better and better picks out each year. If Phoenix is in the lottery this year, they have to blow it up. And they have to get their own picks back, not trade with teams giving them picks in the mid-20s.
Just for jokes: Sengun for Fox? is Sacramento going for it? I wouldn’t do it but just funny how many fox fans on here. He won’t be a rocket haha.
I mean if you watch last game when the ball moves he seem to be playing better vs when fred is just trying to be predictable and play the same offense.
Something you guys aren't taking into account here - FVV, is he really part of this team going forward? The way he's played this season, I have to say no, not even at a reduced rate. While we're all complaining about how bad Jalen is, FVV is even shooting worse from FT, 2 and 3 - everywhere. Sure, you have the option of letting him expire - not picking up the option but in that case, the most cap space the team can create is about $23m and in using cap space you lose the MLE and instead have the room exception which is about half the value. Can you replace or upgrade FVV with $23m via free agency? and then fill out the final 4 roster spots with the room exception and 3 minimum contracts? I doubt that looking at the current group of FA point guards for next offseason, there's not much out there - Kyrie, Ben Simmons? Malcom Brogdon .... any of the starting caliber players are out of your price range from the get go. Here's the full list of FA point guards at seasons end 2025 NBA Free Agents . Essentially FVV's replacement needs to come via trade A) so you preserve the salary above the cap to replace him with and B) the lack of available talent in FA. For me, the only real reason you don't do a Fox deal is the price being too high, but Sacramento just doesn't have a whole lot of leverage, Fox has already turned down an extension. I'm starting from the position of - These guys are NOT available: Amen, Sengun, Jabari & Tari. Any deal starts with FVV and limited draft assets. I posted elsewhere - FVV, Cam and the Rockets own #1 pick this year and a #2 for Fox. Broken into two simultaneous trades, the money works. For those complaining about the contract, that's an $11.4m savings on next years cap over picking up the FVV option. You get a year and a half to evaluate the fit of Fox with the rest of the roster. Worst comes to worst, you move him at next year's deadline (and preserve the salary slot) and either upgrade or recoup draft assets. Should you decide to extend him, the max he's eligible for is 30% which is 4/$229 starting at $51,033,600 in the 26/27 season. There are 15 dudes in the league that make more than that AAV right now and the cap literally jumps 20% between now and then. The other option is to roll FVV out for another season at $44.9m and hope .... You aren't likely to solve the Jalen Green issue during this season with the poison pill .... deal with that in the offseason, call up New Orleans and offer them Jalen for Trey Murphy .... maybe they bite.
Except Booker is a loser. Had the best team in the NBA lost to Dallas in the second round scoring 11 pts on .214 shooting in game 7 at home. Previous year lost to Bucks in 6 in the finals. Shot .225 from 3 in the series and 19 pts on .364 shooting in game 6. That was his time. His window and he didn’t do it.
I feel like Phoenix is getting FVV-level play from Tyus Jones at $2M. I don’t think you necessarily have to trade to replace FVV. Especially if you want to continue with a non-flashy, ball-control PG. FVV was good to show our young guys the way. Now you can plug any number of lower priced players in there.
why are u wasting time writing essays on here no one cares for. Don’t you have body parts you wanna stuff in a bag and suck on?
Fox is good just not a good 3 pt shooter which makes the Rockets even less of a threat from long range and easier for teams to defend. Teams will definitely play zone and crowd the paint area.
PHX has 3 stars to lean on, not really a good example. Who are some examples you think could plug and play??
Agreed: 1) that we cannot pick up that team option on Fred 2). that we cannot extend him at anything higher than Dillon money 3). that his replacement will likely have to come through trade. But I think the odds are extremely low that they trade Fred in season when we are firmly a playoff team. I just don’t see that happening. I think we have to be prepared to lose Fred for nothing this offseason if he doesnt extend on a team-friendly deal. I also don’t see Sac-town trading Fox mid-season. They have until next season’s trade deadline to trade him. Also I don’t see how Fred has value to Sac-town. I think a Fox-Green backcourt would be a disaster (two guards that can’t shoot). I’m good trading for Fox this offseason IF the cost is Jalen, Cam and a pick. If we have to go all in I just don’t think Fox is worth it.
Fox already turned down a contract extension in October because if he make all nba this year he’ll become the highest paid player in the lead next year . He would be become eligible for contract extension that pays him 345 over 5 years. If you’re not prepared to pay him that and to lose amen and probably Tari and Jabari the. Move on from this discussion because Fox has been better than Steph Brunson and Trey this year. Lamelo putting high numbers on a terrible team. I don’t think he would get the nod over Fox. I don’t think Sacramento wants to pay him that contract. They were upset he turned down the contract extension. Im pretty sure they’ll listen to offers for Fox .
I don't think he's worth going all in for either which is why the compensation is limited to FVV, Cam & a pick. As for the pairing being a disaster because neither can shoot - its statistically better than FVV & Green. You'd only have to deal with the Fox / Green back court for the rest of this season, then move Green when the poison pill is no longer in play. That opens up a whole lot of options. I don't even want FVV back on Dillon money, he's been that bad. What's your solution to the position if you don't pick up the extension and just lose him for nothing - You can create about $23m in cap space. You'll have a hard time matching any salary via trade unless they do something to preserve the $$$ occupied by Jeff Green, Adams & Tate who all expire too.
