Exactly, a undiagnosed brain bleed will happen in any type of healthcare system. Edit: and yes he's fortunately fine. Just a fractured nose was the worst of the incident.
What is the legal recourse for talentless and skilless mba frat bros skimming billions of dollars of year in collective money pools meant to be disturbed back for health care needs and due to that skimming denying medical care that either saves lives or drastically improves quality of life while also understanding our legislative system is bribed by these frat bros legally? What is the non violent recourse for that? It ain't voting. Voting doesn't stop the undue influence of corporate frat bros. Someone stealing your tv is morally wrong. Someone shooting someone who is stealing a tv and knowing full well that is all they are doing is even a worse moral failure. One person doesn't respect other's property. The other person doesn't respect the value of human life over property which in my opinion is a worse moral indictment. This is obviously different than a homeowner in the middle of the night seeing a random dude break in to your house and you have no idea what their intent is for said break in. That is where deadly force is morally justifiable. But ya shooting a home invader as they are walking out with your tv is absolutely morally reprehensible and probably a product of leaded gasoline poisoning which I believe you are in the age demographic that is most effected by leaded gasoline,
Insurance companies have no reason to exist, they don't provide anything they are an impediment to healthcare - for profit healthcare is wrong. We need a national healthcare for all and diagnosis and treatment back in Doctors hands....not some nobody on the phone denying coverage. Everytime throughout history, the few have controlled so much has resulted in revolution and the rich getting murdered. DD
The concept of pooling risk together isn't morally wrong. But there is no utility to society for a profit motive for something that just exists as a pool of money. Health insurance isn't doing medical advancements. All they are doing is collecting premiums too pool risk and using that collective pool of money to make some people live ultra extravagant lives by skimming money in their useless executive job and the remaining amount in the pool after said skimming by mba frat bros is left for the people paying premiums for healthcare. Brian Thompson was neither educated in actuary sciences or medicine. The fact that he ran a health insurance company shows how useless these positions are. They exist because the people they put in these positions have class solidarity with the majority shareholder class because of their networking and nepotism to know that the interests of the shareholder is always going to be higher than the interests of the people seeking medical care. That is literally their sole qualification.
Start/invest in a non-profit health insurance company. If someone breaks into your house to steal your stuff, they value their life less than your stuff. That is their decision to make. Incorrect. You have the right to protect your home and property. Thieves have no right to safety while they are burglarizing you (a violent crime under California law). It is not at all unethical to enforce your rights.
It's usually the disaffected young who are more open at the idea of overturning a system where they feel significantly wronged or is immoral. Extremist groups generally recruit young men without jobs or future but with a lot of time and energy to find meaning in a cause. The shooter's path was different in that he mentally and physically changed after the back surgery. You'll notice he shrank a lot in his current shots prob due to chronic pain from working out. Healthcare is generally an older person's issue where the young fund the older cohort's expenses, but they can also find themselves at the wrong end of the financial curve with a costly accident and a more junior stage of their career. That's not to deny that Brian Thompson's murder wasn't a tragedy. A lot of the issues regarding healthcare is becoming increasingly muddied, likely on purpose. Companies like UNH and CVS are benefitting from their vertical integration by using their health insurer arm (which has profit caps) to funnel their patients into other subsidiaries and extract ridiculous markup from that "platformization". Talk of changing the system should focus on breaking up companies with obvious conflicts of interests while preserving their health insurer function and also making the system more transparent...like what value do PBMs really bring to the table and how much percentage of administrative costs in these companies are truly "efficient"? But yeah, pinning a discussion here on the back of the guy's murder won't get anyone anywhere, which is probably by design again, since real change takes hard, no frills and unrewarding work.
Chris Rock nailed it in very few words. He had a family and was a real person. He was murdered. None of that changes the cruelty for which he is responsible for as CEO. Many of the people who wrongfully denied claims also had families, loved ones who have suffered because of the murdered CEO. In fact a far greater number suffered and still suffer because of what he did. None of that excuses murder and violence. Likewise the fact that he was a victim of murder doesn't change the fact that he let his greed to negatively impact and even result in the death of many others. People have both good and bad qualities.
The next guy will just do the same thing. He will do whatever the shareholders tell him to do. Is it ok if he gets shot too?
No. It wasn't okay that this guy got shot and it isn't okay if anyone else gets shot. I never said it was okay. In fact, I said it was wrong. Why are you bringing the idea that it would be okay into my post talking about how it isn't okay? That is confusing. It also isn't okay for the next guy to do the same thing. I'm not sure we know what the other guy will do. Other CEOs didn't deny claims to the same extent United Healthcare has. The national average is already too high. And this guy was denying twice the national average.
As long as there are rich frat brews from Ivy League schools who lose their minds from being rich and fratty you know in the streets people murder people over territory or money or drugs but them rich frat brehs @Salvy @ROXRAN @CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul
Overall you just seem ok with the shooting. Yeah you said it was wrong. It will do nothing to change the industry and the next guy will follow orders like Thompson did. There are no positives at all to this situation.
I'm not okay with murder. I'm not sure why it seems like I am. I never suggested murder would fix Healthcare. I'm also not okay with unreasonable denial of claims which cause suffering injury and death. The best way to help with making sure there is less murder and assassinations is take measures to make Healthcare better which would also be an improvement. Also, arrest and hold accountable people that commit the crimes. Usually when I repeat that the murder is wrong several times it doesn't mean that I'm okay with it.
Most real change unfortunately when you have systems in place that give undue influence to monied interest is violence. Its a unfortunate aspect of history that our education system tends to ignore. The whitewashing of MLK's rhetoric is a good example. Another example is the labor fight in the early 20th century especially amongst coal miners. Immense amounts of violence before real change. Hell the New Deal is a product of American political leaders seeing the violence in the Bolshevik revolution and not wanting that here. No amount of grassroots hard work is going to change the private health insurance system.
I guess it’s because you aren’t condemning the murder and then stopping right there. This whole “but I can see why he did it and hopefully it brings change” attitude just to keep a foot in with the liberal crowd is a bit disappointing. This is a murder like almost all murders in that it cannot, in any way, be justified. Don’t get that twisted.
Stopping right after condemning the murder isn't the best way to prevent more murders and also address larger issues. As many have said two things can be true. Murder is wrong and factors related to Healthcare and specifically United Healthcare can also be wrong. Since that appears to be the motive for the murder, it makes sense to address it. If you prefer to only address symptoms and not the root causes, then you'll always be playing catch up and putting temporary band aids on things.
