He just speaking facts, I don’t see it as a diss. He never been around this type of leadership so it’s more of him giving credit to the current guys. Speaking truth sometimes sounds like dissing.
By all appearances, Jalen is a nice enough person a good teammate, is coachable and really working hard to get better .... he's made a lot of improvements since he got here, ball handling, passing, FT hooting and is actually a good defender now which I never thought we'd say. We never hear him complain either. He's with the right coach too .... I've been critical of Jalen but I'd really like to see him succeed .... I think all of the above is why Stone gave him that contract extension, kinda a prove it deal but a player friendly one. Despite most of the noise here talking about Jalen being traded this coming offseason - I don't think that's gonna happen - they are going to give him this season and probably most of next (maybe to the deadline next year) before they pull the plug on the experiment - unless of course something better falls in their lap in the mean time which is doubtful. He really needs to work on his shooting, it's the last major part of his development .... and despite this being his 4th year in the league, damn he's still such a young kid. I can complain and still be patient .....to some degree and I think the odds of him becoming a better shooter are pretty decent, especially when you consider all the other improvements he's already made.
I guess all young kids who are given 32 minutes of playing time for 4 years without any improvement in their shooting shouldn't be criticized or wanted to be traded.moving forward. That should give our bench players hope. After all, they are kids who haven't been given the preferential treatment that Jalen has gotten. All bad criticisms over any of them should be disregarded as just BS.
folks just come off as a debbie downer btching about green especially after a great win where he threw his body for the ball and made two highly pressured fts.
A great win, but still doesnt hide the fact that Jalen played like ****. Him and Fred were a combined 8 of 28 fg and the man was 0 of 4 from 3. If the chuck bro's actually had efficient games we would have won comfortably.
Lmaoooo Corrossion is typically speaking on how Jalen isnt good enough, is pretty critical and wants better from him. He makes ONE post about being optimistic and is instantly targetted by someone in a snarky tone. Brother, it is OK to be optimistic. Breathe...
LOL, optimism is good. Like I said, it gives guys on the bench a reason to hope nobody criticizes them until they've been given years of time and thousands of minutes on the court to prove they can improve.
That’s the ignorance you people have. There’s games where players shots aren’t going in but what else do they bring that affects winning? These 2 players affected winning in other ways when the shots weren’t falling including attacking the paint allowing for second chance points or solid defense contributing to stops or turnovers.
I'm not criticizing Green. I'm saying nobody on our team should be criticized if they don't improve their shooting unless they get the same amount of time as Green to prove they can improve.
Criticize but to not believe the dude improved massively in very important aspects of basketball like defense shows the effort to improve is obviously there. Maybe just maybe shooting consistency is the last thing that comes in his development process. He's adjusting to expending the energy required to be an above average defender in the league and that probably takes a bit to get used conditioning wise.
You forget .... I never wanted to draft him in the first place and was probably his earliest critic, particularly critical of his shooting, going back to his rookie year. But at the same time, I can see that he has improved overall - just not as a shooter. He came into the league at 18 terribly underprepared with shiit coaching from AAU to Silas.... he'd just now be heading to the draft in a bygone era - yeah, he's still young. I think we can be patient, at least for now.
I think we're saying the same thing but in different ways. He needs to be more James Harden season 4. That is to say the strictest diet of: - Attacks on the rim when you see an opening. This is the the protein in your diet. This is the meat. If you can't get this or a kickout or an open 3, you should pass it asap. If some nights this only results in an efficient 12 points and on other nights it cuts down his ceiling from 40 points to 30 points, so be it. That's how you get consistent. Reduce the variables first. - No midrange whatsoever. Should average less than 1 per game. - No pull up 3's ever. Like, there's never a situation where the only thing that can help us is a stepback 3 from Jalen Green. Pass it to the other playmaker on the floor. - Use the 3pter only as a counter for when you're wide open (he can make 37-38% of these) or it's catch and shoot (36% right now). Really really robotically simple. Which is in a way like Eason, as you were alluding to. Just slightly more offensive. Take advantage of him making 67% in the restricted area and getting 5 FTA right now. I would go a step further and say I want to see him as a corner shooter when FVV/Sengun are running PnR and he's on the court. He was good from there last season around 40% when open. Let Jabari take the bail out shots resulting from FVV/Sengun. I don't think that's his long term role, but this is the kind of intervention and detox needed. I really wish Ime was more heavy-handed in restricting shots. The whole team overall take a lot of shots they would never dare take on another team. Other than Sengun everyone is too comfortable auditioning raw parts of their game during a critical season.
yeah and committing turnovers; 5 for Jalen in the 1st half. He’s having career highs in TO’s by a lot. It’s not as if it’s just a random bad night for Jalen’s shot not falling either. So when that’s commonplace and High turnovers, you start asking yourself if that’s what you want from your shooting guard you just committed $36mil to for 3 yrs. We aren’t paying Jalen to be a bad shooter and decent defensive player. We pay him to finish at the rim, get to the foul line, and knock down shots. None of which he does at a high level or remotely consistently. But sure, glad he is now not a liability on defense. It doesn’t change the fact that we’d be better off with a shooting guard that can shoot or handle the ball effectively. People are allowed to be frustrated with Jalen. We are in season #4.
On this we agree. I find it ridiculous he's increased his volume every season when he's never hit a good mark. Each summer he seemingly works on it. You see the progress in his FT% since he joined. Logically, if he takes the same amount of attempts as last season, he's going to get like 1-2% better maybe? If we're lucky? This dude comes in every season and ramps up his 3's to a degree that there's no chance his progress can show. Tanks his own %, who does that? I seriously honestly genuinely don't understand who's idea this is. Let's say it's been Jalen's idea for 4 years in a row. Is there no coach/mentor out of Silas, Lucas, Batista, Udoka, Ivey, Ben Sullivan, Rafael Stone, Patrick Williams, Fred Van Vleet who can stop him? It never occurred to anyone to say take fewer jumpers while you work on it? Or just a mandate to average 36% from 3 so that he can get serious about drastically reducing his volume and hunting more aggressively for drives to the basket? Am I to seriously believe Jalen is this powerful that he can just do things like this and keep his starting position too? No I don't believe that at all. I think Silas was tanking and Udoka has a philosophy of "if you play defense for me I'll give you freedom on offense" and that's not a good deal. Smart defense and offense is an obligation. At this stage in the game, it IS on the coaching staff to say: hey stop f*cking taking more jumpers. Master the volume you can manage at league average. If you can't, pass the ball. The coaching staff is to blame too now imo. Strange situation. MDA would fix it in 1 day. Only early dunks and open 3's or pass the ball immediately. If you take a midrange shot you better make it or you're going to the bench. We need stricter shot selection on Green to build his consistency up.
my point exactly. can't focus on the positives just btching about efficiency after a win. fvv is paid 40 mil and he put ups a stinker
Is that right? lol So what does it mean when you hire someone to get to the line and then you present them with the worst spacing in the league with opponents always parked near and around the rim? Have you ever managed any kind of team in your life? Do you know what it does to a good employee when you don't give them the tools to succeed like their peers? Funny thing is you're right. We should pay him to get to the line and knock down open shots. Play defense and run in transition. Be unselfish. Be a good teammate. Work hard on and off the court. But if someone says: hey, maybe the shooting should be better for our wings to get to the line easier? The immediate response is: WHAT KIND OF MADNESS IS THIS ARE WE TO NOW MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR BELOVED OFFENSE FOR A MERE PEASANT OF A PLAYER IN JALEN GREEN? WHY DOESN'T HE SHOOT BETTER HIMSELF? Like, Jesus christ. Can we do whatever it takes to get the most we can out of them? We actually pay a group of people to squeeze as much production out of them as possible, it's called the coaching staff. If he needs better spacing, can we give him better spacing? Maybe that's what he needs for now and over the next year or two he will get stronger and better at finishing in a crowded paint? Come on man. Jalen Green is struggling his stats suck this season worse than ever. But as far as getting the line and rim is concerned, this whole team including Sengun is struggling to do it. We have the 3rd worst TS% in the NBA, that's not just Jalen Green. The whole media talked yesterday about how ugly our offense is. It's good that we win by constantly grabbing our own misses, that's a winning attitude. But we are better than the 3rd worst TS% in the NBA. We don't need to grab a HISTORIC amount of rebounds just to win regular season games. We can do better. I don't know why you guys don't believe it, but Udoka's offense will pick up mid season. As it has in his last 2 coaching seasons. It's not that he won't figure it out, it's just that it takes him a while. He's already changing it, but it sucks that he's so slow at it. It's a problem we can remedy with a good assistant coach for the offense from next season. Could help accelerate things this season too.
You are allowed to think however you choose to. Doesn’t excuse the fact that your view is ignorant or lacks truth. My response has nothing to do with his efficiency. It was a response to a fan complaining about missed shots while those players criticized did much to win the game. But since you chose to talk about TO’s and finishing at the rim: Green avg 2.7 TO per game which is less than both Rocket fan favorite Anthony Edwards and Booker in their 4th year. Green’s scoring within 5 ft is around 64% which is better than Morant or Jaylen Brown and improvement over last year. His drive FG% is 44.7 to Edwards 45.9 this year. He is also getting to the line 1.8 times per game on drives. Thats better than Lillard, Jaylen Brown, and Donovon Mitchell. Also you need to clearly define what “handle the ball” effectively means.
Both Fox and Morant “ramped” up their 3’s while shooting a low%. Rocket fans love to compare Green to Both players favoring them over Green while maintaining a double standard. No coaches in the NBA or any level will tell a player to not shoot when open. Its on the player to make those shots but no good or competent coach will restrict a player from taking an open shot. Coaches empower players to shoot when they are open or drive when they have the lane and they teach situations and principles of when to take a shot based on what defenses give and what passing options present. Restricting a player from shooting open shots is the last thing a coach wants to do. As bad as Reed has been he needs to take those open looks. Same with Jabari or FVV. No different for Green.
Demeanor is much improved. Hustling, diving on the floor, etc. Hugely overpaid, but idc, as long as we don’t lose FVV or Tari or Jabari because of Jalen’s bloated contract.
