it's clear to me that there are many clutchfans who are way more qualified than ime to judge who contributes to winning and should get the most minutes. hopefully fertitta is not too distracted with the whole ambassador thing and wakes up and hires one of you guys as the new head coach.
the logic is u can't call a guy not a winning player when he's literally on the team playing heavy mins and the team is winning. U can't say he doesn't contribute to wins when he puts up stats and the team is winning. U can btch that he's inefficient or lowest winshare or whatever, but it doesn't change the fact is that he's contributing. Contribution is still contribution, something folks btching doesn't contribute to wins like to ignore
This is so silly. You could put KPJ or some other awful player on boston, play them 30+ mpg, and that team is still winning 60 games. It doesn't mean KPJ is CAUSING those wins, he just happens to be there.
goal post moving at its finest. if a player sucks he wouldn't b getting 30+ mpg. Man has to have some sort of value to the team to b given that much mins, on a winning team. U could argue that a better player could make our team better, but outright denying that green is a winning player when we are winning on a team he plays heavy mins is just u showing your bias. When a team wins a ring, everyone on that teams gets called a champion, sure there are more folks that contributed than others but u can't say oh he sucks so he's not a champion, u can't just pick and choose who deserves the label just because u dislike a player. Green right now is a winning player, he's on winning team. it's not that complicated of a concept.
So if kpj was on a 60+ win boston team and won a title you would say he’s a winning player and champion and all that?
yea if he won a ring, he's a champion, if he's part of a winning team he's a winning player. like that's the literal definition. It's a team sport, if a team wins it all then everyone on that team gets called a champion. like is this concept brand new or some sht to u?
If he averaged 30+ minutes on a championship team? Hell ya he would be considered a winner. KPJ ever given 30+ mpg on a championship level team won't ever happen though. KPJ as a NBA player has a place in the league if you ignore his off court issues. I'm just am reffering to talent. He has a decent shooting stroke even though he isn't shooting well this year but it's his first few months of actual basketball in a long time but I'm sure for his career if he lasts he will be a decent to average shooter. He's crafty with the handle, shifty and doesn't have the worst tunnel vision. Its above JR Smith and Cam tier. So I could see him being a decent sixth man on a playoff level team if he has no more off court issues and progresses. But he has failed to do that many times now so that's a big "if" whether he stays out of trouble.
I’m definitely not part of the group who thinks he’s not contributing at all. But he is contributing the least. As to your point about “if he sucks he wouldn’t be getting minutes” that’s not necessarily true. We have a lot invested in Jalen and we don’t have a viable replacement. Giving a bunch of minutes to Cam instead of Jalen would likely be worse, much worse.
So no matter how bad the player is, you're gonna consider them a winning player. Interesting way to look at it.
Had nothing to do with KPJ, he was just the first name that popped into my head when i thought "terrible nba player", you can pick any name.
despite having most minutes and usage of the 7 rotation players with at least 20 minutes, he has the most missed shots, worst bpm, net rating, win shares rockets are still winning despite of him being the worst
but, he does contribute, thats my point. hes not contributing the most, possibly the least impactful rotation player,and we could be better replacing him hypothetically. but he 100% contributes to winning and to suggest otherwise is just inherently false. Ime sees and feels something not on the stats to play him the 2nd most. Hes providing value for coach that obviously isnt showing up on the numbers because everything says to play tari and amen more and jalen less.
Isn't it possible he's wrong? Kerr was playing david lee, who was absolutely horrible, over draymond because the warriors were winning. Once lee got hurt, that's when the warriors became the title winning version. Teams are almost always reactive and not proactive in any sport. We heard the same crap about maldy when he was murdering the astros.
Isnt it possible your wrong? This attitude that we as fans know better then the coach is insane. We look at numbers and thwy are fed much more data and numbers by teams of people whos job it is to provide said analytics. They also have access to practices, schemes and the insight into the nuance of what they want to win.
Of course, that’s the whole point. The idea that anyone is all knowing is absurd. Coaches can be wrong, gm’s can be wrong, anyone can be wrong.
This is a good point. One of the reasons Jalen plays so much is because we don't have a very good replacement for him. And now he gets the big pay day it's even harder to bench him extensively. There is a good possibility that he might be replaced by Amen in the starting lineup if his shooting does not improve. Apart from 3pt shooting, there's nothing he does that is better than Amen. And that one thing isn't that much better.
This is the actual goal post moving. So all these years this fanbase has been arguing about whether JG is a barely positive player? All this stanning and bickering and cussing at each other just because of that? If it means we will never have to deal with outlandish claims from his stans I’m down to accept that no questions asked.
Ime is a person and he isnt always right that goes for everyone in the Rockets organization. None of them have won a chip and there are smart members here (not all, but some) who could have a smarter idea than ime at times and are right a lot of times when the org is wrong. People all have their opinions and sometimes they are right and sometimes theyre wrong. If you feel yourself to be lacking in knowledge don't disparage everyone else because we are confident in our own opinions you bow down to the all mighty all knowing never makes a mistake ime udoka except for the fact that his mistake is why he's here and not a championship coach of the celtics. he did something I would never do. I dont judge him we all make mistakes but he isnt always right because he is the coach.
I’m off Jalen but certainly hope he comes through shooting in the clutch tonight. We are gonna need the scoring.
If Jalen gives me 5 games of playing good against good teams then I personally will get off his back but I really dont have faith that he can do that. I think he's showing everyone he's a streaky 6th man. He should be coming off the bench to play the other teams bench.
