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BIDEN PARDONS SON

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Dec 1, 2024.

  1. HTM

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    What is the title of this thread?

    Does it say anything about Trump?
     
  2. jo mama

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    am i the first person to mention trump in this thread?

    also, i didnt realize you couldnt mention someone or something if they were not mentioned in the title of the thread. is that a new rule?

    go back to the first page and look at post #6 where space ghost mentioned trump. does that upset you?
     
  3. HTM

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    Trump is the only thing you people think about. Do you have a post in here that doesn't mention him?

    Care to opine on the subject of the Biden family and their dealings concerning this pardon and its breadth and scope?

    Or did you just come to b**** about Trump which appears to be your lifes work.
     
  4. jo mama

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    and im the only thing that you seem to think about. a few days ago you told me i had to write a "dissertation" on every single president and their corruption and now youre complaining about me bringing up trump, even though several other posters have also brought him up. why does it upset you when i bring up trump, but not when others like space ghost do, which he did on page 1 of this thread?

    i dont know...why dont you check on that if youre curious.

    i already did.

    youre clearly just here to b**** about me which appears to be your lifes work. again, multiple people in this thread have mentioned trump as well but i dont see you whining about it.
     
  5. Os Trigonum

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    New York Times Editorial Board

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/04/opinion/editorials/dangerous-precedent-biden-pardon.html

    The Dangerous Precedent of Biden’s Pardon
    Dec. 4, 2024, 4:17 p.m. ET
    By The Editorial Board

    President Biden has issued pardons to just 26 people during his term, and granted the commutation of 132 prison sentences. Though he has been criticized for his reluctance to extend clemency, his choices mostly represented the best form of it, wiping away the criminal stains of everyday people who had been unjustly convicted or reducing prison time for those whose sentences were excessive. And his modest record spoke to Mr. Biden’s attempt to project an admirable restraint in using his absolute, easily abused power to overrule the judgment of the justice system.

    Then on Sunday, in direct violation of his own pledges not to do so, Mr. Biden pardoned his own son, Hunter. Though he claimed the decision was made out of fatherly love, his explanation also attacked the investigation of his son and, implicitly, his own Justice Department.

    This was a significant misstep that could leave lasting damage. It will not only tarnish Mr. Biden’s own record as a defender of democratic norms, it will also be greedily embraced as justification for Donald Trump’s further abuses of pardon power and broader attacks on the integrity of the justice system.

    At the most base level, it reinforces the sense that Mr. Trump’s systematic abuse of the pardon system in his first term was not an aberration, that presidents of every party exploit their constitutional privilege to benefit their relatives and cronies, that justice is only for those with the right connections. It is easy to imagine the “they did it too” defenses being offered should Mr. Trump pardon the perpetrators of the violent Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, as he has suggested he will. Hunter Biden’s crimes are not nearly equivalent to the destruction caused by the rioters, but his father’s action muddles the defenses against future abuses.

    As Hunter Biden’s firearms and tax cases wound through the courts, the president and his aides repeatedly pledged he would not intervene and would not issue a pardon, even after Hunter Biden pleaded guilty to nine federal tax charges in September. This was consistent with his broader pledge, central to his campaign and electoral mandate, to protect the independence and integrity of the justice system.

    On the day after the Jan. 6 riot in 2021, as he introduced Merrick Garland as his choice for attorney general, Mr. Biden condemned Mr. Trump’s interference in the judiciary and said the nation’s democratic institutions were the nation’s guardrails.

    “There is no president who is a king, no Congress that’s a House of Lords,” Mr. Biden said that day. “A judiciary doesn’t serve the will of the president or exist to protect him or her. We have three coequal branches of government. Coequal. Our president is not above the law. Justice serves the people. It doesn’t protect the powerful. Justice is blind.”

    Presidents have the unlimited right to issue pardons for crimes that could be charged by federal prosecutors. But when they use that power on behalf of their loved ones, or their political allies or their financial supporters, they erode confidence in ideals that justice is blind, that all are equal before the law.

    In the modern era, the most notorious (though much contested) example was Gerald Ford’s pardon of Richard Nixon in 1974. Presidents of both parties earned scorn for using the power for seemingly self-serving ends. In 1992, George H.W. Bush pardoned Caspar Weinberger, the former defense secretary, along with five others involved in the Iran-Contra scandal during the Reagan administration, and in 2001, during his last week in office, Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, the fugitive financier whose ex-wife had donated heavily to the Clintons and the Democratic National Committee, along with his half brother, Roger Clinton, who pleaded guilty to cocaine distribution.

    But abuse of pardon authority escalated significantly during Mr. Trump’s first term in the White House. He pardoned his advisers — Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone. He pardoned Charles Kushner, the father of his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. He pardoned three service members accused or convicted of war crimes, over the objections of his own leaders in the Pentagon, after campaigns by his allies in conservative media.

    Mr. Trump has obviously never demonstrated any interest in the principle that presidents should not use the levers of power — including the Justice Department — to punish enemies and reward friends, supporters and family members. He is already vowing to pardon “a large portion” of the more than 1,500 people who have been federally charged with crimes in relation to participation in the Jan. 6 riot to overturn the results of the 2020 election. Five police officers died in the wake of that attack, four of them by suicide, and Mr. Trump’s clemency would effectively reward violent anti-democratic vigilantes willing to fight on his behalf.

    Mr. Biden has been consistent enough in his defense of judicial independence to understand the implications of this abuse. This week, in justifying his decision, he accused his own Justice Department of “selectively and unfairly” prosecuting his son. To use a word that Democrats have often used in warning of the dangers of overlooking Mr. Trump’s defiance of the norms and values of our democracy, Mr. Biden has now “normalized” the abnormal. In doing so, he has made further abuses more likely.

    “It further erodes Americans’ faith that the justice system is fair and equal for all,” said Senator Michael Bennet, Democrat of Colorado.

    There’s little doubt, as Mr. Biden took pains to note, that the prosecution of Hunter Biden occurred in an environment of significant political pressure from the president’s enemies. The nonviolent firearms charges on which Hunter Biden was convicted are rarely prosecuted on their own, especially against first-time offenders. And it’s clear that many of Mr. Trump’s choices for top executive positions, particularly his pick for F.B.I. director, Kash Patel, are determined to carry out Mr. Trump’s orders to pursue his critics and perceived enemies through the legal system, which raised the possibility that they might have pursued further charges against Hunter Biden, including those that may be unjust.

    But that doesn’t change the fact that Hunter Biden, whose long history of exploiting his family’s name and influence consistently crossed all lines of propriety, did indeed break the law. He pleaded guilty to nine federal tax charges after being convicted by a jury of his peers for the firearms-related crimes. It’s not sufficient justification for such a self-interested use of a presidential pardon, particularly one as sweeping as this one, which exonerates Hunter Biden for any crime he might possibly have committed over the past 10 years. (It’s probably the broadest pardon since the one Nixon received.)

    Mr. Biden instead should be using his clemency powers to address real inequities in the legal system, and there are a vast number of them. He did issue mass pardons for thousands of people convicted of mar1juana possession under federal law (although no one was in prison for that crime alone at the time of the pardon) and for veterans earlier convicted of engaging in gay sex. But there are more than 8,000 petitions for clemency pending with the Justice Department, and the White House should examine as many cases as possible and pardon those more deserving of clemency than the president’s own son.

     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    another lol

     
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    I haven't read through this thread, so apologies if this take is already posted, but if Biden truly were scared of potential malicious prosecution by some Trump psycho like Patel, then Biden could have pardoned his son for everything except the crimes he was already convicted of committing. I agree that Hunter Biden got prosecuted for rare things, but he also opened the door to such prosecutions by writing about his crimes and profiting from his book writing. And yes, Trump also abused the hell out of his pardon power and yes, I still consistently believe that a Trump is a lying crime committing psycho who should be in prison. So is Biden (see the Hur report). We'll have had criminal presidents for 12 years. :(
     
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    She’s not a journalist, she’s an activist and only idiots take her seriously. She is no different than Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck.
     
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    "Biden family and their dealings" right wingers are hilarious. Republicans in congress had 4 years to investigate the "dealings" and they found absolutely nothing on Biden. The criminal charge hunter got charged with is something every redneck in america is guilty of. The feds have never charged someone with lying on a gun application cuz of doing drugs ever before.

    "Abused escorts" is the funniest thing ive ever heard. You morons were just rehabilitating Matt gaetz when he paid for sex with a 17 year old but suddenly Hunter paying for an adult hooker is "abusing escorts" lol.

    Shameless MAGATs with no morals
     
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    What in the world are you talking about? The Hurr report didn't implicate Biden did anything criminally wrong. Hurr specifically said bidens situation was completely different than Trumps because Trump lied on a affidavit stating he didn't have the documents. Hurr never said biden committed a crime in his report. He said he was reckless with his handling but thats not illegal. The Biden handling of classified docs is nothing similar to the way Trump handled his.

    Is anyone living in reality in America anymore. The entire country is filled with disinformation and braindead conspiracies
     
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    You blindly support Biden no matter what.
     
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    Since you don't live here why do you care?
     
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    At least Rush has been sober for 1390 days.
     
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    You live here and don't vote. Obviously you don't care.
     
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    1370 was just as funny
     
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    I live here? You follow my posts so you care much more than me. I do vote. I just didn't this time . You are a clown. Feel free to ignore me
     
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    Liberals complain about Hunter Biden being charged with crimes that are rarely or selectively brought.

    But ignore the exact same thing with Trump.

    Alvin Bragg had to develop "novel legal theories" to go after Trump.

    https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/alvin-bragg-trump-case-legal-theory-rcna154413

    The Washington Post reviewed the New York State Law Reporting Bureau as far back as 2000 for any relevant case law regarding this specific statute. The report found “two entries in which a judge issued legal opinions on the statute. Both were from [Judge Juan] Merchan last year in rejecting Trump’s motions to have the case dismissed.” That’s how rarely Section 17-152 is prosecuted in New York. And that fact makes Bragg’s decision to primarily premise the prosecution of a former president of the United States on that statute even more novel.

    How often are classified document cases prosecuted? etc etc.

    https://www.npr.org/2023/07/21/1188280400/things-to-know-donald-trump-classified-documents-trial

    Criminal cases involving classified documents are rare, Saltzburg said. "It's a very small percentage of the criminal cases that are brought throughout the entire United States. But there may be 10 or 15 of them," he said.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     

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