It's about "Wins and Losses", not +/-. The last game was horrible by both the Warriors and the Rockets but if we would've won, I wouldn't have cared the least of how it looked. You're more obsessed with how we win, rather than if we win. When your a team like the Rockets, at this stage most of their wins are going to be ugly. Out rebounding the opponent and playing defense, is how they are winning, not efficient shooting.
I actually don't care about IF we win, i care about HOW, which is the opposite of you. If we win and jalen goes 0-10, i'm not gonna say hey we won so who cares. I care about the rockets being contenders long term, that's what matters to me. To me, it would be better for the rockets long term if Jalen showed massive improvement this season and we were .500, then what's currently happening because we really need someone like him. Can you at least admit that SO FAR this season, Jalen has sucked? I know you think in 2 or 3 or 4 years he'll be good, but can you admit he has sucked so far?
Jalen green doesn't suck. Suck is not being able to put up points and not being able to contribute to us winning. He's just wildly inconsistent
Green is a "physical" freak, has high level athletic skills, but "appears to be" functioning at a low level mentally. This is nice way of saying he is not the brightest bulb on the tree. Seems like a nice guy. Seems likable. I just wish he were on another team.
Dude, you're wrong, it's not about HOW we win, it's always, always" IF" we win. If we're winning, nothing else matters. Do you really think how we're winning is high on Ime's list? If we get the win, you move on. Players go through stretches, good games, bad games, injuries happen. Any coach will tell you....JUST GET THE WIN
What i care about is the rockets someday winning a title. How we win is FAR more important to that. If this was the nba finals then sure, i wouldn't care how we won, but we're building a team and need to know who the keepers are long term. You also didn't answer the jalen question
How do you even skip the process and win......does Silver gift wrap the title to the Rockets like it was given to the Raptors with the addition of Kawhi...... The Rockets move to the East and then they win it........that is the IF...and the HOW. The way to win in the West is still have 1 clear MVP (Top 5 Player) Superstar, 2 All Stars plus your Stifling Defense .....basically the Thunder model. (OKC would have won with more continuity) Right now only 1 Clear All Star in Alpe, others are either borderline good and lacking plus your Great Offense. Top role players. And a Star Coach.
Jalen is very consistent. He mostly plays below expectations and occasionally has games where he plays really well. Since his rookie year hes consistently done that. A lot of his numbers have been remarkably consistent year after year as well. Hes consistently a mediocre to below average player who sometimes has hot games or hot stretches.
We havent won since 1995. It must bc all the players we had over the years sucked. That's how dumb it is if u are using that as a standard to judge green if he's a good enough player to keep long term. Unless we magically implode, I'm liking my odds of making playoffs with green contributing one way or another and then if green ends up being a liability u can talk about how green isn't "winning" the right way and not good for us long term.
Ngl that sounds like the dumba$$es who prefers playing team ball to win over harden carrying us to wins. Winning is winning, and I take that anyday over losing. We are doing quite well so far. Jalen green isn't a liability to the point where ime is actively benching him. He gets yank here or there but u must b quite a hater/box score watcher if you think this season Jalen green isn't contributing to the teams success. Whether it's a lot or not enough is a different topic Currently 4th seed in the competitive west. That's quite an achievement for being sht for the past few years
Really, it's about how we lose .... and on most nights, this team plays good defense and rebounds well - what they don't do is shoot the ball well, particularly in losses and while the entire team has had its struggles, the biggest culprit is Jalen shooting a high volume with a low conversion rate. If you replace Jalen with a 38-40% 3 point shooter, they probably have 2-3 more W's right now. Some want to blame the spacing and it is a problem, but Jalen is a huge part of that because of his low conversion rate from 3. It allows his defender to go under screens and sag into the paint because they just don't have to honor the outside shot. It's Jalen's defender that clogs the paint - Not Sengun, Jabari, Brooks or FVV. It completely neutralizes Jalen's biggest strength - that being the quickness / first step. He's not going to beat that defender to the rim who's playing drop coverage - when he tries to do it anyway, more often than not he's running into a double team. He's not part of the solution, he's part of the problem.
Uh huh. Team A is 10-0 with a +2.0 differential Team B is 8-2 with a +12.0 differential If you are a “wins are all that matter” guy you would bet your money on team A to be a better team at seasons end. Historically you would be wrong. If you are a “how you win” guy you would bet your money on team B being the better team at seasons end. Historically you would be right. What we’re talking about with Jalen is one and the same. Yeah it’s nice we’re winning with Jalen playing mostly poorly, but it doesn’t bode well for the future. He has to improve if we want to be a real contender in the future.
Exactly, how you win is about the future but If you win is about right now. Nothing is more important than right now, correct? Think about it. If we are losing and in the same position we were in the past 4yrs, what would your opinion be of Alpi, Amen and Tari? You would say trade ALL of them, because we are still losing. You can change how you win as you're moving forward, by building up players and installing confidence. Surely you understand that?
Out of the first 23 games, how consistent has Alpi been? Or Jabari? Or FVV? To me Dollon has been the most consistent player this yr. At the beginning of the yr, fans were saying we should trade Alpi, then it was FVV, then Jabari, now it's Jalen. The thing that amazes me is you go to every fan site and there is talk of trading some of the same players you all want to get Jalen Green.
You guys keep mentioning FUTURE. Dont players change from yr to yr? Don't teams change from yr to yr? Coaching, etc? We don't know how they are going to look next month, let alone next yr. This season just started. Ive seen players shoot 33% from 3 on yr and the next they shoot 38%. I still think we haven't seen the best of a Sengun - Jalen combo. When Alpi develops an outside shot and Jalen tightens his handle and we move FVV more off ball , we will see their best. To me, that's Jalen's last development, consistentency. I think that's largely due to his lack of strength. When he goes against bigger, stronger wing players, he tend to struggle; OKC and GS are just 2 teams that come to mind. And the player that KILLED us the last game reminds me a lot of Jalen....Andrew Wiggins. Of course Jalen is more talented but he was drafted out of high school, young, slightly built and took him yrs to develop. He didn't have any of the success Jalen has displayed but turned out to become a very productive player on a championship team
You’re moving the goalposts all over the place. On one hand you’re talking about PATIENCE in all caps and waxing on about what people may become. On the other hand you start the previous post talking about how “nothing is more important than right now,”. People are disappointed in Jalen’s trajectory at this point. Seems pretty clear why they would be if you’re looking at it objectively. Hell even Mathloom is saying the guy needs to be pulled from the starting lineup at this point. But it’s damn near impossible to even have a conversation when you keep changing the criteria that should be used for evaluation.
The “we are winning so jalen must be helping regardless of how bad he is” argument is bizarre. Reminds me of kenyon green on the texans this season or 2023 maldonado on the Astros. Some people kept arguing how maldy should keep starting despite being a catastrophe because the Astros were winning. Just utter nonsense.
On the contrary. Let me clarify. I stated that the most important thing is winning NOW for a young team, because it gives them the belief in the things they are doing thus far is right. Alpi, Jalen, Amen, etc. all know they are not finish products right now. That's why I keep reiterating it's not "HOW" you win but "IF" you are winning that is important. If you winning by outrebounding and playing good defense, they know they can resort to those traits, if they are not shooting well. So imagine if they can get another shooter or two or if Jalen or Sengun improves their shooting. Then it becomes "How" they win. By playing all three; shooting, rebounding and playing defense....IT BECOMES THEIR STYLE OF PLAY. As of now, to me, they still don't have a style, they are just playing good ball. Perfect example of a style is the Warriors. Origially, they resorted on offense under Mark Jackson. But under Kerr, they brought in Igudola and Bogut and they started playing better defense and rebounding. They developed ALL three phases and a style of play. The Rockets right now, know "IF" they just outrebound their opponents and play good defense chances are they can win.
