I was going to put this in another thread but thought it deserved its own thread, but if anyone objects, please merge this. I am a fan of John Dean and when I first heard this, I was like hell no, BUT I think this may be a better strategy to combat "retribution", I put that in air quotes because this is petty revenge in my book, no one is to blame for trumps issues but trump. But if you pardon him and then also pardon Jack Smith, Mueller and anyone who has anything to do with trumps guilty tendencies then you take away the petty childness that will be the new trump team................play some offense Dems, you suck at playing Defense. https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/03/poli...den-pardon-trump-political-enemies-src-digvid
Yes. Biden should pardon Trump for a crime that would bar Trump from serving as President … like whatever crime that satisfy S3 14A.
Yes, but he likely won't. It would mean Trump wouldn't be able to take the 5th, though perjury ain't that big a deal to the public nowadays since Slick Willie lied about his blowie.
Perhaps. It would be a 'set a good example and show you are above your opponent. If he did it, he should emphasize it was at the request of Kamala Harris. On the one hand, it might help the rest of the nation move forward. On the other hand, Trump himself won't grow from it, and won't change. He is also likely to commit more crimes. It might set the example that some of the worst people are considered above the law.
Latisha James and Alvin Bragg helped get Trump elected. Their politically motivated witch hunts totally backfired.
May have helped get Trump elected but evidence and jury of his peers proves he committed the crimes. Trump is a felon and whether or not that helps a person get elected shouldn't be a factor in prosecuting.
I am sure you will be this dedicated to exposing criminality when Republicans take power in a couple months and start putting more Democrats under the microscope.
I wouldn’t waste my time. What Trump is about to do or be himself with the power he’s about to take will overwhelm any semblance of whatever we have left of a Democratic Republic anyways. Biden should blanket pardon those who are subject to political attacks and note who Trump and his minions have publicly mentioned yes. Do that… even though it might not matter if Trump gets the control over the DOJ he obviously wants. We all remember the scene in Game of Thrones where Cersei rips up the royal decree from the King who just died before arresting Ned Stark. That wasn’t just pure fiction. That was a story inspired by many moments in history. If Trump gets the power I think he’ll have these pardons that Joe Biden is writing up now probably don’t mean squat. It gives you some armor in the court of law but it’s not going to matter if Trump still wants to go after you. It’s going to take courage and bravery and a lot of energy to exhaust Trump and MAGA if you are in their crosshairs. Not pardons from an outgoing unpopular president. No don’t pardon Trump and further erode a power that is already diminished and likely to be joke after Trump comes back into power.
Sure if there is evidence of wrong doing like holding onto to sensitive material And refusing to return such material, engaging in unethical business practices and pressuring to state officials to overturn their own elections. I supported special counsel investigations of both Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, had zero problem with conviction of Hunter Biden and think his pardon is a bad idea. Unlike some here I think the rule of law is more important then partisan ideology.
No Biden shouldn’t pardon Trump. I also don’t think Biden should pardon Jack Smith as he didn’t commit a crime. If the Trump DOJ goes after Smith and others from the Biden admin that just proves they are vindictive and doing what they accuse others of.
I'm sure I will continue to believe anyone who has committed crimes should be held accountable. Democrats don't have the same level of desire to protect politicians from their party when they've committed crimes. When NJ Democrat Bob Menendez was indicted 11 Democratic Senators called on him to resign. He was losing the his own party primary as an incumbent and then had to drop out of the party and run as an independent. He didn't win. It was Biden's DOJ that prosecuted him. Former Democratic Rep TJ Cox arrested and awaiting trial. Contrary to the rhetoric of MAGA Dems are pretty good about going after crooked politicians of either party. Democratic voters also have been capable (though not always) of not sticking with criminals.
Trump ran on using the Federal DOJ to go after his political opponent all three elections including this one. MAGA supports the idea but only for the other party. They are against going after Republican candidates even when they are actual criminals and admissible evidence is used in a court of law.
You ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait until the criminal himself becomes the judge and jury for prosecuting all his "enemies" per his appointed boot lickers. There will be no trials for the orange man, and the road is paved for him to blatantly break the laws with his enablers ensuring no investigations will ever be made for anything he does once officially President. Mar a Lago will be his go to spot for wheeling and dealing for dollars. Secrets for sale, foreign and domestic policies for sale. Billionaires to the front of the line.
I didn't watch to the end, so I'm not sure if he mentioned the J6 rioters. If the idea is to put the divisiveness to bed and start with a clean slate, it would seem to me to be a miscarriage of mercy to pardon someone like Trump but not pardon his foot soldiers who went to prison for him. I would rather see Biden pardon the J6 criminals than Trump. I get his argument, but I'm not feeling it. I am amused knowing that Trump would be insulted by a pardon, because it implies he did something wrong. But, a clean slate is wasted on Trump anyway. He will immediately make a mess of it again. I don't think I'm done with divisiveness because Trump isn't done with divisiveness. He wants to fight me. He said I was a radical left lunatic, an antisemite, and the enemy within. He ran on it and we voted in favor. So no pardon for him and no burying of any hatchet. I don't forgive him and I don't respect him. I hope we can put his 83 year old ass in a prison cell in 2029 -- though I can see the chance of that happening is now vanishingly small.
Alvin Bragg ran for Manhattan District Attorney on the promise of using his office to go after Trump. Letitia James ran for New York Attorney General on the promise of using her office to go after Trump. Don't recall Democrats calling that problematic behavior. So surely, you won't be upset if Republicans run on the promise to go after their political enemies.
Not my argument, so maybe I shouldn't be getting in the middle. But, Bragg and James are prosecutors, so promising to prosecute criminals seems to be in their lanes. Trump was running to be president, so prosecuting people is a bit out of scope.
Yell, the Convicted Felon was making public statements like "I commit crimes all of the time", so that might be a difference here.
