I get your points. But it's hard to rid the nest of rats when their nest is below a school or a hospital or in residential buildings. I will politely ask Again. Would this thread exist if there was no October 7 massacre?
Electing a gov't doesn't mean that if that gov't does something horrific, you should be killed for it. And I don't think Oct 7th justifies killing civilians indiscriminately.
Well, I would say you are spreading Israeli propaganda. I know from Palestinian doctors who were over there that I trust that indeed, children were shot. There are eye witness and first hand accounts. You can't dismiss it just as "Hamas propaganda". I mean you can do whatever you want, but I hope the truth matters to you.
IDF or settlers are shooting children in the WEST BANK - nearly one every other day. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/19/west-bank-children-killed-unprecedented-rate
I'm not asking if it justifies any retaliation. I'm asking if this thread would exist if Oct. 7 never happened? It's kind of a yes or no question.
Of course not. Bibi would not have the political capital to launch this type of attack had that not happened. Hamas leadership (mostly rich cowards in Qatar fyi) and BiBi are using violence to gin up this war to benefit their power grab. BiBi wanted this fight to stay in power and Hamas wanted this fight to sacrifice Palestentians in order to grab greater support in the region and globally. Those Hamas fighters hiding under hospitals are brainwashed terrorists. Militarily it’s appropriate to deal with those fighters I agree. The civilians living above them though aren’t ALL terrorists just as all Germans weren’t card carrying Nazi’s even though then we had wider moral standards for civilians casualties because of the threat of Hitler vs the threat of Hamas. My point is if there are other tools available in this case I believe it is wrong and a war crime to CHOOSE brutality among the wider civilization. Israel had the capabilities to achieve results without this level of brutality. That’s where the line is drawn but I don’t think anyone is saying Oct 7th and all Hamas attacks warrant NO response at all.
So you can't admit that if October 7th never happened we would not be having this discussion. All good my man. A very wise man once told me. Don't start nothin , won't be nothin.
Mostly agree. The October 7 attack opened the door for Bebe to do what he wanted to do for a long while. They gave him the high ground. What he has done after that is most assuredly up for debate. As far as the scope.
That is not what I am trying to discuss. Your comments surely have merit. But the question remains if October 7 never happened would we even be having this discussion? Any innocent person dieing in this world is bad. That we can agree on.
You're asking the wrong question. You shouldn't be asking "who's getting shot?" You should be asking "who are they targeting?" Israel is targeting military enemies who are hiding among Palestinian civilians. Hamas is targeting Israeli civilians. ...and raping them. ...and beheading them. ...and taking civilians hostage. You should not endorse such things. Ever.
Never understood how western sedentary lifestyle humans who never had that existential dread of fearing ordinance drop leveling their home and neighborhood as a way of life believe that mass slaughtering civilians is morally fine as long as you can just say a unconventional insurgent force doesn't have built up military bases. I think people like you need to be dismantled at a basic human level to understand that privileges you experience to say crazy stuff like this without flinching. You need to take a deep inward look at how you got to this state of dismissing human slaughter so casually.
Did I say "mass slaughtering civilians is morally fine" ? No, I didn't. Maybe if you stopped doing that, people would hate you less.
Yes you did? Are you gaslighting? You literally are saying it's morally fine to mass slaughter civilians as long as the genocide actor which is the IDF claims those they are genociding are "human shields". It isn't the only justification you are using also. You are also using basic dehumanization tactics that every genocide apologist in civilization history uses like claiming the victims of genocide are rapists and animals.
I absolutely did not say that, you liar! Civilians are being killed on both sides in the war between Israel and Hamas. But that's true (and terrible) in nearly every war. But a clear distinction between the two is that one side is targeting civilians (and raping them, taking them hostage, and beheading them) and the other side isn't.
If the Palestinians are incapable of ethically fighting a war, maybe they shouldn't be fighting a war.
obvious is obvious Let's get the elephant out of the room. Arabs hate Jews and they hate the Jews are winning. That's it. @AroundTheWorld
