When did it become clear biden was the worst president of all time?

When he selected Harris as VP but Afghanistan is a close second

 

lol

 

The day he tried to overturn an election and incited a mob to storm the Capital I think. Oh wait...

Or maybe it was the day he was convicted as a felon on 34 counts.... I dunno. Can't think straight today...

 

No one would storm the The Capital for Biden thou, worst president ever.....

 

I think he's somewhere in the middle of the pack. His exit from Afghanistan wasn't pretty but his commitment to exiting Afghanistan was the right decision (and hat tip to Trump too for taking the first moves in that direction). Also in foreign policy, I don't think his approach to Ukraine and Israel has been very effective -- he always tries to take some nuanced middle path and balance complicated dynamic forces, overestimating how much fine control the US can have on outcomes. I think I have the same criticism of his approach to the hot topic domestic issues, always frantically clinging to some sense of normal order from his early Senate days that are long dead.

But, I think the bright spot was passing multiple big infrastructure bills that -- if Trump doesn't wage war on them -- will eventually fuel a big bump in American prosperity. Both parties have long known that doing something to re-invest in infrastructure needed to get done. But, I think Trump saw that the time horizon for reaping the benefits was further away than the next election and wasn't willing to take the hit to get it done. Biden, perhaps naively, thought he could get it done and also do enough other stuff to get re-elected. And even if he hadn't grown too old, he didn't do enough other stuff. Regardless, I still have hope that the infrastructure bills will have big benefits and that alone keeps him far from the worst of presidents.

 

Saying that he was the "worst of all time" is an exaggeration. He did many things that I didn't like, though.

The selection of Kamala and the Afghanistan situations were certainly the first...

... but I really hated that he went against the Supreme Court to erase billions of dollars in student loans, essentially giving out billions of free money.... (mine and yours).

 

"Of all time" lol. I've never heard such hyperbole!

 

I'm fairly close to this, but give the Israel a middle of the road grade and Ukraine an above average grade. I also give more credit for managing to get the infrastructure bills passed, his handling of the Covid pandemic and surpassing even the most ambitious of goals in that area. The reason I give a great deal of credit for the infrastructure and CHIPS act is because it is something other leaders have wanted to do and simply couldn't get done. But Biden succeeded where others have failed. I give a modest amount of credit for keeping our inflation lower than the rest of the world's.

 

He passed a lot of bills, that's for sure. Those usually last a long time, even the ones we can't pay for.

Since his term turd sandwiched in between Trump, I guess their legacies are tightly coupled and maybe in a decade or two, we'll know how covid could've been handled with what they knew/did at the time.

We still don't know to what extent Blix bungled initial Covid response. She and Pence were bigger voices on that taskforce where the blame ultimately fell on Trump or Fauci depending on who you believed/liked more.

 

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this is the best post EVER

 

By what metrics?

Not saying he was the greatest by any means, but in terms of overall economic prosperity (not cost of living), he was very good. Foreign policy, not terrible, although the backing of Israel's human rights nightmare war is a black eye. Getting out of Afghanistan was an 11th hour issue that he inherited from Trump- could it have been better? Sure. But put the lion's share on Trump for that one.

By most metrics, the two worst presidents since WWII have been in the last 20 years- GWB and Trump. Trump is the worst in ~150 years. Again, by most metrics.

 

I don't know . . . certainly he won't be the worst, but he is very likely to end up in the Jimmy Carter presidency category within a few years.

forgive the source, but here's a piece that actually does call him the worst ever--and it's hard to argue with their laundry list of Biden missteps/mistakes.

Democrats Fear Worst POTUS Ever Tarnishes His Legacy with Hunter Pardon

https://hotair.com/generalissimo/20...y-with-hunter-pardon-n3797547#google_vignette

excerpt:

You think I'm kidding, but I'm not. Joe Biden, the president who was elected to return the country to normalcy but failed about as miserably and completely in that goal as a human being can, put a coda on his disastrous presidency by pardoning his son for everything Hunter did or thought about doing for an 11-year period. And Democrats, still reeling from losing the election three weeks ago, are just now beginning to realize the utter destruction to their movement the 46th president has wrought.

A neutral presidential historian would list as a blight on his legacy Joe Biden's calamitous withdrawal from Afghanistan, condemning generations of Afghani women who had just begun to learn how to read and write, and vote, back to the burqa and a life of servitude under Sharia Law. Biden's actions got 13 American servicemen and women killed needlessly, and led to tens of thousands of Afghanis who were our allies during our 20-year war being disappeared and murdered by the Taliban.

Historians might view harshly Joe Biden's lifting of sanctions on Iran, funneling money back to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps which in turn led to the rearming and training of Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran's resurgence, due directly to the change in policy of Joe Biden, led to the October 7th attacks in Israel that reignited the war in the Middle East. There are still four Americans being held hostage by Hamas as a consequence of that attack that Joe Biden has as of yet failed to rescue or negotiate for their release.

At least 12 million people have illegally streamed across the Southern Border, and with the change in policy of the Biden administration, many have been redistributed all across the country to put extra strain on housing, medical, educational, and law enforcement resources. Hundreds of Americans have been killed or otherwise victimized, often violently so, at the hands of the criminal element within this mass of illegal humanity.

Joe Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, which ushered in 9% inflation at its peak, compounded to a net of 21% over his four-year term, crippling real wages and spending power across all economic classes, might get the attention of historians as a failure of his presidency. Add to that policies that restrain American energy production from its fullest capacity, forcing us to rely more on foreign sources, Biden's economic legacy alone would doom it for all time.

The politicization and weaponization of the Department of Justice would normally be a stain on any administration, because it's never been done before now, and certainly not to this extent. Prosecuting the opponent of the sitting president is something usually done in third world countries. It's literally banana republic stuff. Biden, to his lasting shame, made it a feature in this country for the first time. The DEI/woke infection of every federal agency, the John Kerry climate changing every federal agency's policy, each would normally cause history to look unkindly at a performance this poor. In accumulation, it makes for an unmitigated disaster of a presidency.

Anti-Semitism is on the rise all over the country, but especially on college campuses. One of the reasons it has metastasized is because of this administration's hostility to the state of Israel. But when Biden and Harris didn't condemn the Jew hatred on their side, but instead played footsie, courting them as possible voters, one might think that would stain an administration.

The gaffes, senior moments, infirmity, and/or mental decline of Joe Biden, episodes that increased in frequency and severity over the course of his four years, culminating in the debate performance against Donald Trump that caused the Democratic Party and regime media to kick him to the curb and off the ticket for 2024, maybe that might have some bearing as to legacy.

I could go on for another thousand words about the legacy of Joe Biden. It would be a shorter column, in fact, to list the Biden administration positives. This is why it's just so hysterically funny to see regime media now concerned the pardon of Hunter Biden may have a lasting negative impact on the outgoing president's legacy. . . .
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more at the link

 

Appropriately named website.

 

$74B of those absolutely should have been forgiven as that was a commitment the government made long ago and wasn't living up to under Public Service Loan Forgiveness.

The rest had high doubt to collectability. I realize collecting 10% of $100B would be better than 0%, but it is what it is.

I don't support broad student loan forgiveness myself. I do support discharge through bankruptcy and other types of assistance to give people a chance to actually pay it back.

 

the only modern POTUS to have generated 48 consecutive months of positive job creation---avg > 100K---achieving the lowest unemployment rate ever

in terms of job creation and unemployment rate, Biden has been the best

 

like I said . . . my personal opinion is he's gonna end up somewhere near Jimmy Carter in the pecking order historians will write about

 

The day that Joe Biden was inaugurated, the Fox News declared it and it was so.

 

All you do is shill for the left.