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Will Child Gun Deaths Rise Under Trump?

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  1. deb4rockets

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    It's scary to think about Trump's reckless and dangerous attitude in our future, when it comes to gun safety and gun regulations. The NRA pays him well to keep those weapons on the streets.

    “In my second term, we will roll back every Biden attack on the Second Amendment — the attacks are fast and furious — starting the minute that Crooked Joe shuffles his way out of the White House,” Trump told National Rifle Association members in May.

    Firearms accounted for 18% of childhood deaths in 2022. In no other comparable country are firearms within the top four causes of mortality among children.

    From 2018 to 2021, there was a 41.6% increase in the firearm death rate. In 2021, among children who died by firearms, 84.8% were male.

    Black children accounted for 67.3% of firearm homicides, and white children accounted for 78.4% of firearm suicides.

    Gun deaths among children and teens rose 50% in just two years, from 1,732 in 2019 to 2,590 in 2021. That number rose again to 3,500 children dying in gun-related incidents in 2022.
     
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  2. deb4rockets

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    I feel so sorry for children living in homes with guns not locked up, or those kids with irresponsible parents who can legally go out and buy a gun without a lick of common sense, gun safety knowledge, or maturity. You also have alcoholics, drug users, domestic abusers, and mentally unstable who can go out and arm up legally. It's so preventable.

    Baby fatally shot by toddler in Texas, marking latest accidental shooting involving kids.

    A woman, a three-year-old, a two-year-old and an infant were all in a parked SUV with a loaded long gun in the very rear of the vehicle. One of the toddlers got ahold of the weapon and fired it, striking and killing the infant, who was 10 or 11 months old

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baby-dead-unintentional-shooting-gun-death-texas/

    A two-year-old child was shot in the face after gaining access to an unsecured gun in the apartment. The child was taken to the hospital, where they were pronounced dead.

    https://abc30.com/post/2-year-old-hospitalized-after-being-shot-merced-police-say/15575729/

    A 3-year-old is dead after what police say was an accidental, self-inflicted shooting

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-co...n-accidental-shooting-newport-news-police-say

    A 5-year-old boy in Utah accidentally shot himself to death with a gun he found in his parent’s bedroom, according to authorities.

    https://www.wdbj7.com/2024/08/26/ou...dies-after-shooting-himself-with-parents-gun/

    Police said Joshua Kelly Jr., 5, died on Thursday, Nov. 21, while in hospice for injuries suffered during a shooting incident on March 20. Police said he was playing with a modified handgun when he sustained the self-inflicted gunshot wound. He was only 4 years old at the time.

    https://www.wafb.com/2024/11/22/5-year-old-dies-injuries-related-accidental-shooting-8-months-prior/

    Surge in Ghost Gun Child Related Shootings

    https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/surge-in-ghost-guns-child-related-accidental-shootings
     
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  3. Os Trigonum

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    It
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  4. deb4rockets

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    LOL, such a scholar.

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    Trump wants to be an autocrat. He’s let it slip before that he wants to take away the guns but back then his handlers were quick to whip him back into shape. But Trump this go around is different. He wouldn’t start gun control to save the lives of children, but he will enforce gun control to save his regime from any external threats.

    We’ll see how much energy Trump has left to really go for it with the whole dictator thing, and then I’ll tell you how likely it is that child gun deaths go down or not. If he just governs as a normal Republican I assume they’ll go up or stay at the normal terrible rate.
     
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    You just never know what that psycho will do. Sometimes he just does things to retaliate against others out of spite, so it wouldn't surprise me if he just repealed gun safety laws Biden implemented. That, and the fact that the NRA pays him well to do ask they want for profit.
     
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    a president cannot simply "repeal" laws that the Congress has passed. Including gun safety laws that Biden "implemented," e.g., this one:

    https://www.npr.org/2022/06/25/1107626030/biden-signs-gun-safety-law

    A president can, however, reverse executive orders signed by a previous president, e.g.,

    https://baystatebanner.com/2024/10/02/biden-signs-executive-orders-on-gun-violence/

    Executive orders are not laws.
     
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    It’s amazing that people can be this r****ded.
     
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    I hope not.

    Regardless of law, there is gun culture which has effects.

    Our own @Os Trigonum once proposed that liberal (lefty) gun culture could be the reason for reduced gun deaths in NY state comparatively (I.D.I.O.T.), so if this country continues to move more culturally conservative, and more people make the jump to getting a gun (or additional guns), could wind up with a sway into more gun deaths.

    There’s also the effects of potential increased income inequality and greater poverty from reduced social programs.

    But in general, over time, save for the covid bump, crime has generally gone down and hopefully continues to do so.
     
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    Word play. What matters is Trump's plan. “In my second term, we will roll back every Biden attack on the Second Amendment."
     
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    I disagree that my post constitutes "word play."
     
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    Mark where it is now . .. . then let's see

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    I expect no less. You never agree.
     
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    Yet we allow them to legally buy guns. No IQ test or training required.
     
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    you're right.
     
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    Are you one of those who thinks lax gun laws and regs makes families safer?
     
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    this question makes no sense to me. What are "lax gun laws"? and makes families "safer" than what?

    Also how would one quantify or demonstrate how a "reg" makes "families safer"?

    so no. I don't know if I am one of "those" or not one of "those."
     
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    @Salvy
     
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    1. Do you think Gun loop hole laws are something we should eliminate? Currently, Texans can obtain guns through private sales and gun shows to avoid federal background check requirements. We know the firearms used for mass shootings and many other gun deaths were purchased through these private sales. 86% percent of Texas voters support strengthening background checks, recognizing that we must do more to keep guns out of the hands of individuals with documented violent histories.

    Only gun dealers with a Federal Firearms License (FFL) are required to run a background check before selling a gun in Texas. Texas has NO state requirement for comprehensive background checks when purchasing a firearm. Therefore, persons prohibited from owning firearms due to a documented history of violence can easily obtain a gun – on the internet, at a gun show, or from private sellers. In fact, each year, there are an average of over 69,000 ads on Armslist in Texas for firearm sales that would not require a background check. Personally, I believe that's a huge red flag that should be eliminated.

    2. I think mandatory gun safety classes could help eliminate some of the stupid things parents do that wind up putting their children in danger with guns in a house. It could also help in keeping people with no gun experience from doing something that harms them or others, especially teens not brought up learning ng proper gun safety from responsible parents. This country sets the crazy irresponsibility meter for so many children dying from guns.

    3. Make AR-15 type weapons illegal. The odds of anyone other than a drug dealer or gang banger needing a weapon designed to kill multiple people quickly are rare. The odds of the innocent people slaughtered by them are greater.

    4. I believe gun annual licensing would be good, especially if and anyone caught with drugs, charged with a DUI, or charged with assault or abuse should have their license and guns revoked for a year or more, depending on the crime. Anyone treated for mental illness, PTSD, or depression should have their license revoked until deemed fit to carry a weapon.

    I don't have a problem with responsible law abiding citizens owning guns. I'm definitely against AR-15 type weapons designed for military and war. What I don't get is why the responsible types fight helping to ensure other gun owners act more responsibly. I do think that common sense gun laws that help weed out the irresponsible can keep not only children safer, but everyone else around that unfit or dangerous gun owner.

    Back to the point of my thread.

    Firearms accounted for 18% of childhood deaths in 2022. I can't find more recent stats, but In no other comparable country are firearms within the top four causes of mortality among children. That in itself should raise some red flags about what those other countries do that we don't when it comes to gun regs.
     
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  20. Salvy

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    More word play...
     
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