Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

I’ve been hearing pundits saying “the Constitution mandates that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted.” It doesn’t say that. This is DOJ policy and not the Constitution.

Also no where in the Constitution does it grant broad immunity to the Executive branch.

 

You are right, I can't change a thing. All I can do is vote. I can speak my viewpoint though. Not sure why you chose to put Oprah on your response. That was just weird.

Look, we both have different views of Democracy, National Security, law and order, and Presidents. That's pretty obvious. As a 20 year Vet I simply don't believe in having a pathological liar and con man as Commander in Chief. I don't trust a liar and certainly not a con who surrounds himself with white collar criminals, incites coups, spreads lies to get power, and obstructs justice when caught with his hands in the cookie jar at his Mar a Lago resort. It's that simple. Maybe you don't believe he has ever committed criminal acts, or that he will take bribes for favors. Maybe you believe a President deserves full immunity if he commits crimes, and that Trump will be fair and impartial in treatment and policies for all Americans, but I don't. I see huge red flags of "National Security Risk" by Trump.

I don't expect a man to understand a woman's viewpoint on men who abuse women, or the pedo and sexual abuse enablers who turn a blind eye when it suits them. Trump surrounds himself with those types, just like he surrounds himself with white collar criminals. Maybe again you don't think that matters. Maybe you agree with those other GOP politicians fighting to allow children to marry in their states, or forcing rape victims who are children to carry a child. Just because that disgusts me doesn't make me wrong.

If you agree the 1% will make your life better, then I have to laugh. If you believe White Nationalists and right wingers are the answer to making our country great, then again, we just see things differently. If you believe it's funny or ok to spread filthy lies about people because of their culture, again we don't agree. I also don't agree with inciting hate towards others and putting their lives in danger. Even though I am white, I have heard enough stories from shipmates to know how much some of them feared cops, especially down around Alabama and the panhandle of Florida. These were good law abiding shipmates. I've read enough stories of horrific abuse by cops. I am huge on locking away criminals, and certainly not soft on crime, but also not stupid or naive enough to know dirty and racist cops are out there. I sure as hell don't want to see them all get full immunity any more than I want to see a President get it. It leads to corruption and abuse. Maybe you disagree.

I'm far bigger on punishment than many folks. I get tired of cops having to chase some damn suspect down streets for an hour, putting everyone in their path at risk of harm. Put those as*holes away for at least 10 years when they are finally caught. Then maybe they will stop that crap. I feel the same way about drunk drivers. Put them away for 10 years and then they won't go out and do it over and over again. There is no excuse in the world to drive under the influence. None! If they kill innocent people driving under the influence I'm all for giving them the death penalty. I feel the same about sicko pedophiles who abuse children, serial killers, mass shooters, and terrorists. I have no problem with the death penalty for any of them. As for parents who physically do severe harm to children I'd love to see them get a big dose of their own medicine year in and year out for at least 10 years.

Anyway, I made my point. I don't have sympathy for people who break the law, no matter what color they are, and regardless of how much power, fame, and money they have, and that goes double for those who harm others. A white collar criminal is still a criminal, so, why would someone like me deem one of those worthy as President?

 

We have a fair amount in common.
I'm no Trump supporter.
I'm also a veteran.
I also think that he is a scumbag and did not vote for him either time.

All i'm saying is, and it, IS YOUR PEROGATIVE, to consistently spout the same stuff over and over makes many folks gloss over it as if it is white noise.

I think you have a lot of great points and are very insightful, but when every post begins with the same monologue, I skip to the next post.
Not your problem I understand.
You will have plenty of fuel to power your dislike for Trump in the next 4 years. I say go with that, it's fresh and new.
Those on this forum who voted for Trump, don care about any of that stuff anyway. They have their own skewed view of him.

As far as Oprah, don't read anything into that. It was either her or Syndrome from the Incredibles.

 

still waiting for @Commodore or @El_Conquistador to explain what the officer should have done differently. the accuse him of murder and imply he should be brought up on charges...so what should he have done differently in that moment when faced with what he was facing?

 

Asked and answered. My answer was literally ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES MURDERING SOMEONE.

GOOD DAY

 

I wish people like you had this mentality with petty theifs breaking into your home to steal a TV.

 

thats not a real answer and you know it. you are accusing him of murder. explain what he should have done differently. let the violent mob GET TO SITTING MEMBERS OF CONGRESS SO THEY COULD BEAT AND/OR MURDER THEM? let the violent mob BEAT AND/OR MURDER HIM?

you insurrection supporters have no leg to stand on here and you know it.

 

an unarmed woman?

 

I urge you to have this mentality if some petty unarmed home invader breaks into your house and is trying to steal your TV.

 

Who was with a violent mob threatening to murder the vice president. The mob had already assaulted law enforcement, and she broke through a barricade refusing to follow the orders of the officers who were protecting members of congress.

 

an unarmed woman who was part of a violent mob who had assaulted hundreds of cops and were threatening to hang the VP and go after specific members of congress. an unarmed woman who took part in breaking through a glass window in order to climb through a barricade and into a secure area where said members of congress were. who stupidly did this while an officer had a gun pointed at her.

youre still unable to answer my question. for the 3rd time, what should the officer have done differently?

all ive gotten out of either of yall is "literally anything else" and we all know that isnt really a serious answer.

 

Here are eight options for you, anyone else is free to add more.
1. Push her back through the window.
2. Ask one of the 6 or so SWAT team members standing 3 feet away behind her to grab her.
3. Arrest her for refusing to obey a lawful order.
4. Pepper spray her as she was trying to climb through the window.
5. Pass her off to one of the several other officers behind and try to block up the window/rebuild the barricade while one of the men behind him deals with her.
6. Punch her as she is trying to climb through, forcing her back.
7. Fall back to the barricaded position where there were several other officers providing cover.
8. Recognize that the SWAT team that is three to six feet behind her doesn't consider her threatening enough to take any action whatsoever and follow their example.

 

This sounds like woke blue haired policing guidelines. When did you get soy cucked?

 

I called out her murder immediately, feel free to check back at the beginning of the thread. The guidelines for police use of force are clear, and they are when the suspect represents an IMMINENT danger to the officer or a third party. An unarmed 100 lb women in an empty hallway with the officer holder her at gunpoint doesn't meet that standard. If you want to call that being soy cucked, I guess it was about 3 years, 10 months, and 19 days ago.

 

I know you called it out immediately. The woman was within your empathy zone of reach to care about brutal policing standards. I understood that from the beginning.

So ya, when a human within your empathy sphere of reach (white woman who shares your general views on society) is the victim you turn into a woke soy cucked blue haired trans individual.

 

She should have complied. Am I doing this right? You're proving once again it isn't just the moniker.

 

1. Approaching the mob which had already assaulted law enforcement and initiating close hand to hand interaction which limits potential shooting and would put others at risk isn't likely

2. Understand that the SWAT members behind her were there because of the threat. They were also largely outnumbered and may not have been aware of the proximity of congressional members and staff.

3. Had she not broken through the window she could have been arrested for several potential violations. She didn't give law enforcement that chance.

4. Again, approaching close enough to make effective use of pepper spray would have endangered the officer and potentially others.

5. Once she was through, it is likely others would have also come through. The mob had established that pattern.

6. See number 1.

7. That would have left a pathway to where the members of congress and staff were.

8. The SWAT team may not have known the proximity of Congress and staff. They were also heavily outnumbered.

 

They’re gong to re-write history. Luckily it’s all on film and historians will prevail.