They said being gay was something that could be prayed away in the early 80's. I don't care what anybody does to their bodies if felt trapped in the wrong one. Just make the children wait until they are of a certain age. Like joining the military, gambling, buying smokes or a cocktail. Alot changes in a person between the ages of 14 and 18. You ain't seen nothin till you are down on a muffin then you sure to be changing your way. Aerosmith.
That is an important distinction, identifying gender dysphoria as a mental illness does not make you a transphobe or a trans hater.
I've stayed out of these stupid trans threads all this time. Oh well. Sarah McBride transitioned as an adult, so the child mutilation thing is kinda moot in the conversation about bathrooms in Congress. Whatever happens to the trans movement, the trans people will still be here. Mace might wish McBride didn't exist, but she's going to be in Congress and has to use one bathroom or the other. While we're on bathrooms, why do we in the US build them with so little privacy anyway? I haven't seen a long trough urinal in a long time, so I guess we're headed in the right direction. But stalls with spaces between panels, half doors, sometimes half walls, communal showers, open floorplan locker rooms -- it's cheaper, but many poorer countries manage to provide more bathroom privacy. At the same time we are having this pearl clutching about gender crossover in bathrooms, we are simultaneously insisting on same-sex lack of privacy that obviously also makes people uncomfortable. Would there be any problem at all if our bathroom stall walls went floor to ceiling and they had actual doors?
What do you think the best treatment is for gender dysphoria? Does this mental illness impair an individual's ability to hold down a job, maintain relationships, or contribute economically to society?
Seriously. Our bathrooms are a disgrace. Ever used a toilet in Japan? They're nicer than the offices in Congress!
Totally agree. One other thing I find weird in the USA is that there is extremely little privacy. The bathroom stalls are pretty much wide open, there is a tiny door, but you can hear everything haha. Japanese toilets ftw.
Within legal guardrails. Cutting of genitalia is not "healthcare". Medical professionals and parenty cannot decide to cut a child's arm off either, if there isn't a tumor in it or something life-threatening.
I honestly do not think a 14-year-old is mentally capable of realizing what a Greuling and expensive process this is. I believe they are aware of the fact that they may be mis gendered but may not be aware of the future issues that come with it. Both mentally and physically. Mental perception by others is not their fault but no one can deny that it exists. And it is something they will have to deal with. Again, for those 50 somethings on this board. Remember when gays were thought of like leppers. It's pretty accepted as the norm now days. This all has to happen organically. Those more informed educate me. Is gender reassignment surgery covered by insurance? If not, I can imagine the cost is beyond astronomical. I mean, what's a nice penis going for these days?
I understand the sentiment and agree that boundaries shouldn't be stretched as far as the far-left trans movement would like for them to (i.e. men with beards using women's spaces, dicks out in locker rooms, etc.). But, there are a lot of trans people who pass for their intended gender. Short of stationing a cop with a DNA test outside of every bathroom in every building I don't see how this is enforceable. You also didn't answer my question about treatment. You seem intent on calling gender dysphoria a mental illness. Obviously something isn't "right" in their head which is why they seek treatment. Do you think that gender transition is the best treatment for them?
This is a very valid concern. Man I remember in my day the public school bathrooms were terrible, trough urinals, and at some point because of class cutting problems they removed the doors from the stalls. I had a condition where I had to take a dump or two each day while at school (we discovered I was lactose intolerant and that solved it) but I refused to go in those conditions, I found an unlocked faculty private bathroom and blew that s*** up everyday until I eventually got caught.
I agree, which is why I said that healthcare decisions should be made by medical professionals and family (those responsible for the child). They are best positioned to make the right decision for kids under their care. Not the general public or elected government officials.
All I can say is my son at 14 was all about the Disney Channel. 2 years later his socks could stand up on their own, if ya know what I mean. Things change.
Call it what you want, but if no one knew she had a Y chromosome, no one would push back on her using the woman's bathroom. This isn't about safety, it's about anger and politics. You know that. Let's not pretend otherwise that this is the most important issue to Mace and many others. Much easier to go after the transgender rep than figure out how to tackle the problems that are actually affecting Americans.
@Xopher my quote isn't working for whatever reason but it's not even remotely the same. Black people not being to use white restrooms and water fountains is racism and disgusting behavior. That was a terrible time. They weren't pretending to be women though or mentally ill. They were just a different skin color. I can't believe that you would equate the racism Black people experienced to trans people. It's not even in the ballpark
As always, the leftists try to stifle open conversation by immediately labeling people who don't submit to their rigid line of thinking as "transphobes", as "hateful", etc. etc. - exact same tactic they use when anyone criticizes the ideology of Islam. Not all of them are stupid enough to not understand that criticizing elements of an ideology that tries to force others into submission does not equate to "hating" individual people. They use it as a tactic to stifle dissent.
Being transgender isn't being mentally ill. Gender identity, like sexual preference, need not align to one's biological sex in the way you'd expect. These deviations are natural, and a just society will find a way to accommodate it rather than pathologize it. And they are no more pretending to be something than you are when you present yourself to the public. A "biological male" who is transgender and presenting themselves as a man (wearing men's clothes, talking like a man, adopting the name of a man, etc.) may be pretending to be something they are not. You may think it's natural for a person to present as a man if they have a penis and to otherwise present as a woman, but nature doesn't necessarily work the way we expect.
