Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. It had nothing to do with Biden. You should do some of that homework you mentioned and start with Crimea. Then look up Putin's belief that anywhere the population speaks Russian should be part of Russia. Then look up the fact that Ukraine wasn't slated to join NATO and that since the expansion of Russia's invasion more nations have joined NATO
I've got this one. Ukraine flirting with NATO forced Russia to invade. This talking point goes straight from Russia to right wing info bubbles to @tmacfor35 to this BBS. But he did his own research and you haven't done your homework. You're not an independent thinker .
I can't see any of the responses, but my impression is that a lot of brain-dead Putin Piss Babies are saying that Russia has no agency for invading Ukraine and all of the various war crimes and atrocities they have committed over the last decade of invading Ukraine. F those guys, they are total losers! 3 Wet Diapers for those Piss Babies.
Nato agreed to stop expanding East in the 90's and have increasingly done so. Russia has been notoriously resistant against a world war. Starting a proxy war with Russia via Ukraine is war mongering. Now that we have given Ukraine the go ahead to shoot into Russia using systems that the US has had to teach Ukraine, we have ultimately given Russia a ton of control to choose the next move. Why would you support this? Give Russia what it wants. Stop supplying Ukraine with the ability to defend itself. Stop getting involved in affairs that have nothing to do with you. If Russia wants to attack an already Nato target. Then fine. But why are we pushing and poking the bear when the president elect is asking for a meeting to resolve the issue. Globalist/Neo Cons trying to cook up WW3. Funny how you find yourselves saying its ok, when some of you were upset at Bush for attacking terrorist over WOMD. Proves its party over people for all of you. You don't even know what you support.
US - Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership November 2021 Guided by the April 3, 2008 Bucharest Summit Declaration of the NATO North Atlantic Council and as reaffirmed in the June 14, 2021 Brussels Summit Communique of the NATO North Atlantic Council, the United States supports Ukraine’s right to decide its own future foreign policy course free from outside interference, including with respect to Ukraine’s aspirations to join NATO. https://www.state.gov/u-s-ukraine-charter-on-strategic-partnership/ Anthony Blinken wanted a war and he knew this would create it, since Ukraine's path to NATO was always a red line for Russia. Biden knew it too. The American Democrats want forever war. Which is why they were voted out of office. Literally every foreign policy instinct the Democrats have is the wrong one. Every time. They couldn't be more dangerous or dumber if they tried! Fortunately the America voter saw through the propaganda and voted them out of office.
All they had to do, was say we want nothing to do with Ukraine. Thats it. Take a stance. And all is resolved. Seems to me, based on Obama's relationship with North Korea and the already deterioration with Russia. Dems aren't the old dems. The old Dems condemned Bush for destabilizing the middle east. Obama, Bush, Biden, Clintons. All the same. Neo Con Garbage.
Russia started the war when they invaded Ukraine. It was not started by us or by Ukraine as a proxy or any other kind of war. You are describing appeasement. Appeasing the adversaries of the United States isn't fine. A democracy (Ukraine) was invaded by an authoritarian Regime (Russia). There were no WOMD and there were already procedures in place to prevent WOMD when Bush invaded. Russia invaded Crimea part of Ukraine in 2014 and then annexed and invaded more recently. He hasn't shown a willingness to stop. We've seen what happens when people try to appease Authoritarian invaders.
Don't forget about Dick and Liz Cheney -- who both campaigned and endorsed Kamala. No one can say the Dems are not for FOREVER WAR when they have Liz Cheney as a campaign surrogate. Burn the military industrial/intel complex down! And in so doing, restore power to the people. This will be a great accomplishment of Trump.
UKRAINE WAS NOT OUR ALLIE lol. We dipped our toe in water that wasn't ours. What are you talking about? I am not talking about appeasement. I am talking about avoiding WW3. Getting involved in neutral nations should not be our issue. Why is this so hard to understand? How are people ok with this?
I don't think we should underestimate the pure moral evil of the people who push pro-Russian propaganda that Ukraine somehow wants to be invaded and war crimed to death by Russia but for BIden/theUS/NATO and just...letting Russia commit mass killings rapes etc is the humanitarian thing to do. .They are sick individuals who should not have custody of the children they don't have.
It isn't wrong to stand up to an authoritarian nation invading a democratic nation. That same nation invaded Georgia, took military action against Chechnya, etc. They had already invaded Ukraine in 2014. There is a pattern of Russia doing this. We've seen what happens when aggressive invaders under authoritarian rule are allowed to continue.
It doesn't matter as long as Ukraine wanted to hold onto Crimea. No country can join NATO while in a military dispute. Then there's the issue of Turkey or Hungary blocking admission. The easier path would be for Ukraine to join the EU even with Orban running interference. I mean, the excuse that Blinken "wanted it" looks better for Putin peeps, but they crossed the line with the second invasion no one in the world expected right up to the months before where Biden's warnings were ignored. Even Xi was caught off guard and it took China a year before backing them up.
The problem is that Blinken and Biden (and all their supporters in government) wanted Ukraine to be invaded by Russia. And they took the provocative steps to ensure that it happened. And it did happen. Utterly incompetent foreign policy moves. All of the deaths and suffering did not need to occur. That is moral evil -- and the bad results really can't be argued.
Oh it's an FU to Putin and Trump who have been negotiating and undermining Biden all the while. All the crying over WWIII is hilarious. Putin isn't going to do anything - we all know that he is waiting for Trump so he can get the as much territory as possible. We all know Trump is going to pull US support, force Ukraine into giving Russia mass concessions, and Putin is going to send that big fat check to Trump enterprises. Probably not even that big or fat to be honest. I wonder how much Trump is selling out Ukraine for.
Some of us knew that from day 1. Those who do not understand the global economy (like me) knew sanctions were not going to work. Once Russia got its foothold, the only way to push them back was a full war with NATO.
