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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Nov 13, 2024.

  1. fchowd0311

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    No you don't. You are here wasting time explaining how you don't have time. Don't do this. We know you come here to immediately play "who's dick is bigger" contest rather than actually discussing things.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    What lessons did those Holocaust survivors refer to when they said to analyze the rise of Nazism?
     
  3. astros123

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    Jake Paul vs Tyson isn't "boxing" lol. Cmon man
     
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    lol
     
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    But British Baking Show is legit.
     
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    Is this what a extremist centrist sound like?

     
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    The White House segment continues to be a Show.....what's new.

     
  10. dobro1229

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    On the trans issue I would take the “big government” argument if I was the Dem running in 2026 or 28.

    Meaning I would say (and I actually do believe) that the federal government has no right to dictate at that level decisions that should be made at the local level. Coaches, principals, the superintendent, and the school board if necessary along with the parents are fully capable of rendering a case by case decision on the rare chance that a trans student decides to play a sport where there could be a disadvantage. As long as there is no violation of discrimination there shouldn’t be an issue.

    Make the big government overreach argument and argue for empowering decisions with parents, and the schools. For professional sports make the argument that in a capitalist system you get the choice as a consumer to not give your money to the WNBA if they let Dwight Howard put a wig on and play for the Liberty.
     
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    It doesnt matter. You are NEVER going to win an argurment with the public on a topic that they overwhelmingly disagree with you upon. You cant convince the public that government overreach is the issue when it comes to trans athletes. Most americans are morons who have no idea how the government even works. Once again you are making the democractic party sound like a HR department.

    The overwhelming majority of Americans including a huge majorities of minorites dont think trans women should be playing with biological women. They dont wanna hear anything but dems telling them the same thing. You dont need to explain to the public that in reality the government has very little power in stopping this because most of the rules are made on a local level. You're speaking to the wall and your argurment will go over their heads. You have to dumb it down as much as you can which is why trump won on a campign full of disinformation and conspiracies.

    The democractic party needs to stop pandering to its ultra woke lefties @fchowd0311 who are out of touch with the working class. The base of the democractic party consists of black and jewish voters and both of these demo are very culturally conservative. Stop pandering to the college educated woke lefties.
     
  12. GOATuve

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    Men are men and women are women. If you're gay that's cool. That's not a reason to dress like a woman and violate their rights . It shouldn't be a question.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Another point of evidence you are some bad faith troll/bot

    You debate against the idea of me, not the actual content I type.


    I will simply ask you this question to show how stupid you are with your framing of all this.

    Who discusses trans issues more? Trans people or people who consume right wing media?
     
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    the issue i have with you @glynch @dobro1229 is that you pretend the biden admin wasn't the most economical populist we've ever had. They bent over backwards for unions and labor and got zero upside from their pro labor agenda.

    Joe Biden literally issued the largest union bailout in American history to the tune of 40 billion dollars. The bailout saved millions of pensions and in return the same union voted for trump even though biden gave them a huge check of money. Harris was the tie breaking vote on the bailout.

    Biden literally handed millions of people a blank check and the same morons turned around and voted for trump cuz of trans issues. This is why I hate morons like bernie sanders bcz they're delusional and don't understand the root of the problem.

    Until democrats pivot hard on culture war issues and meet voters where they are they won't win another election.
     
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    Another point of evidence you debate the idea of me and not actually me.

    I literally typed out explicitly multiple times that Biden domestic policy wise was the most populist president we've had in a long time more so than Clinton and Obama absolutely.

    I'm telling you it doesn't matter because of the media consumption bubbles we've been talking about and I told you the actual sustainable long term solution is discrediting the entire right wing grifter industry by going on those shows and being rude confrontational and calling out how petty their grievances are compared to actual issues facing the brunt of the American population.
     
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    Again. Biden bailed out millions of teamsters pensions directly and they directly saw economics benefits from the admin. They didnt need to be told by the media that they benefited from his policies. They directly saw the benefit to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in their pocketbook.

    The same members who saw their retirements literally being saved by the admin turned out and voted for trump cuz of trans issues. Numerous union leaders have come out and said that culture war issues is destroying the support of democrats.

    The issue is the culture wars. It's not about economics. Its culture war issues that democrats have to pivot on
     
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  17. fchowd0311

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    Do you ever hang out with your average tradesman or long haul truck driver? They are predisposed to conservative politics even if left politics benefits their wallet more.

    Ya culture wars sucks. Your idea is also bat **** insane to the point that i think you are expressing these takes in bad faith. Like no, the solution to the culture wars isn't democrats conceding on right wing insincere grievances. These type of person, tradesman, long haul truck drivers etc are the core demographic of podcasts like Joe Rogan. So the best way to destroy the culture wars is someone competent with quick rhetorical wit and debate who is aggressive and has no issue with burning bridges go on these type of shows and call out hosts like Joe Rogan as frauds who gaslight his audience into caring about stupid **** while his buddies like Peter Theil raid your country hollow.

    An aggressive attack on these right wing grifter influencers and completely and utterly destroying their credibility is really the only option. Many of these people will yield easier than you think also because many of them don't have strong convictions in what they spew on their platforms and therefore are not ideological driven. Grifters are easy to break.
     
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    Dont be nice to him, call him a dipshit moron... You holding back your punches....
     
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    As a local coach and referee of a sport I’ve made the exact same point.

    I will also add the vast majority of competitions are played on the local level. For these competitions we don’t have the resources or funding to do things like books testing to see if someone in the gender they claim them to be. The only way we could do so is to have them show us their genitalia. I doubt any other parents here of youth athletes want referees and tournament officials checking the genitalia of their kids just so they can play peewee soccer.

    I’ve said I will resign if I’m legally compelled to do that.
     
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    They really are stupid if they believe that.
     

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