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[HBO Max] The Penguin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by GRENDEL, Apr 12, 2023.

  1. GRENDEL

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    What a finale. *******. Oz is cold as ICE.
     
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    Re-watched The Batman after and it's much more intriguing now that you see how everything is tying together.
     
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    Walter White was a mixed bag. I don't think I'd call him evil, but I do see a lot of takes that he is a total monster so maybe I have selective amnesia abotu that series.
     
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    I rewatched it and all the Nolan movies recently. Nolan’s Dark Knight series works better as pure entertainment. Reeve’s Batman is slow and heavy and lacks humor, but it looks great and has a great atmosphere.
     
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    He peddles the most potent meth, witnesses what it does to Jessie and Jane first-hand, and kills those who gets in the way.

    Penguin is likely a hardwired sociopathic killer while Walter grew into one when he realized he'd rather die infamously rich than being an average nobody who gets to live the rest of his remaining life like a schnook
     
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    Didn't he kill that one kid?
     
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    Tony Soprano by the end of the series?
     
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    He killed criminals who got in the way. Don't recall him killing "good people" (having Gale killed is maybe the worst of his deeds).

    He did put people's lives at risk to "win" the drug war and save his own hide or that of his family/friends. That seems pretty low on the scale of evil compared to many other characters on the show.
     
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    Hannibal.
     
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    Can't believe he killed Vic
     
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    He killed a kid.
     
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    I don’t remember that. Which one?
     
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    I forgot the kid's name, but he was the brother of the Mexican chick Jesse was with. Walt poisoned him.
     
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    Meth ruins communities and starts gang wars. Aint too pretty on the body either.

    A smart guy like Walt wouldn't be blind to it even if Hank didn't brag about his work for years.

    The show didn't hit you in the head with how evil that work was to the point where some of the crew were surprised how many people were still rooting for Walt till the very end.

    I know I did.

    Yeah, he put him in the hospital with the poison flowers. I think the sister mentioned that he "luckily" survived but mostly the same. Walt didn't gaf.
     
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    Brock? I don’t think he was killed. Walt poisoned him not intending to kill him but instead to make it seem like Gus was trying to kill him. It was a cold and calculated decision, but not the same as murdering a kid.
     
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    I do get that, but if that makes Walt evil than the show is full of evil characters because most of them are willing participants in the drug trade (including Jesse, Gale, Mike, etc.).
     
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    Part of it is that more and more shows and movies have protagonists that are "evil." Not even anti-hero, but straight up evil. All of the main characters are evil so we're stuck taking a side of evil since most of us cannot help but take a side.

    I heard the guy behind the show say that he could not find an appropriate time to insert Batman into the show. He said Batman would have taken the limelight. I guess, but he would have destroyed the environment of evil characters and wrong doing. The Batman would have been a drag on "The Penguin" because we'd have a "good" guy to contrast both Oz and Gigante.
     
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    Yeah. I think Tony Soprano was maybe the first main character of this type? He was a vile, vile character. More flawed, morally, than Walter White IMO. I'd say the same about Oz in The Penguin.

    It seems to me that a lot of people elevate how evil Walter White is for reasons I don't quite get. I saw this Youtube video the other day putting characters from the BB/BCS universe into evil tiers, and Walter White was at the top very top, ahead of Gus and even the Nazis. And then I see internet blogs about who Walter White killed, and some people want to pin every single death that occurred on him, because they can draw a causal link between some decision he made and their death. I don't get the impulse to treat White like he's the epitome of evil.
     

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