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  1. astros123

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    Braindead commentary typically from you. Kamala had a POSITIVE approval rating at election day. You can say whatever you want about her policies but she had a positive favorable and she kicked trumps ass during the debate.

    Kamala lost bcz Americans are brainwashed morons who were convinced that their kids would turn transgender in public schools under kamala. Quit pretending that Americans are above iq.

    Disinformation and conspiracies have taken over America making everyone a braindead human. I'm so glad we don't have that issue here. Jesus christ

    77% of Americans think their kids can change gender without telling their parents LOL. ****ing morons
     
  2. astros123

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    Biden didnt please "billionaires." He introduced the first billionaire tax in American history while installing the most anti monopoly FTC chair in modern history. He super funded the IRS to go after rich tax cheats which they've been doing. His ftc has sued to break up more monopolies than any other ftc in modern history. Biden forgave hundreds of billions of student debt which nobody has done. Biden was the most progressive POTUS in our lifetime since FDR.

    Obama isn't the reason Biden won in 2020. Black voters helped Biden win and nobody else. One day you lefties will understand the importance of black people
     
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    You tagged two of the biggest trolls on the left.
     
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    And she got the floor wiped with her. You can lie to to yourself but people don't like Harris. She was the worst candidate ever. Newscum will be worse
     
  5. dobro1229

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    Yep. Everything at its heart is base in economic anxiety. Especially immigration. Pivot every time to the economic message.

    What was James Carville’s 3 points-

    -change vs more of the same
    -It’s the economy stupid
    -and don’t forget about healthcare

    That’s it. That’s the Democratic Party’s 3 main talking points. Everything else is a freaking distraction. In 2026 and especially 2028 get back to this and only this. Pivot pivot pivot on every cable news show or interview just like Bernie does.

    Your first ad that goes up should be something like this… “billionaires fund ads about culture wars to distract you… do not be a fool. Trump has betrayed you and sold you out to the billionaires and wants you to be distracted by this.”

    Trump and Republicans have betrayed you or just “betrayal” alone should be the key word for Democrats. I’m gonna flight for YOU while Trump serves the billionaires. Simple, effective, and it’s also very true.
     
  6. dobro1229

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    The main error of the Kamala campaign was Biden not getting out before January and allowing space for an outsider to run that populist economic message.

    -We needed to represent change (4 out of 10
    Score)
    -We needed to run a simple economic populist message (7 out of 10 points)
    -We needed to focus on expanding healthcare (3 out of 10 points)

    If you aren’t going to be running as a change candidate, and you aren’t going to focus on healthcare you damn well better be 11 out of 10 on the economy. I think she had some great proposals. Especially the child tax credit and small biz proposal. But the economic fight messaging wasn’t out there punching you in the face the way Bernie does it.

    Get back to the Carville 3 points and the Democrats will easily pound the Republicans in the next two elections if we have free and fair elections that get recognized.
     
  7. astros123

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    Youre making up things that aren't true. Polling isn't showing that undecided voters voted for trump cuz of economic anxiety. They voted for trump cuz they were brainwashed about Harris positions. Trump campaign has said their most convincing ads were anti trans ads and not the economic ads.

    The trans stuff buried the democrats. Call a spade a spade. This Data is from Harris own internal polling

     
  8. astros123

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    "Get an outsider to be the canidate" is wishful thinking. Harris had the overwhelming support from black and Jewish voters. You can't find a single hypothetical democratic primary poll that didnt show Harris winning by big margins. Harris was ALWAYS going to win a democratic primary.

    If you actually had a primary youd have candidates arguing about who's more progressive on Gaza and trans issues. Primaries always force candidates to appeal to their base.

    Youd have candidates arguing who was more pro trans or more open borders which would've hurt the canidate in the general election
     
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    Do we arrest the Democrat voters who voted yes to questions you don't like?

    What's the plan?
     
  10. dobro1229

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    I never said that’s why he won (Harris bad on messaging). I’m simply saying if the goal is to improve I think the formula above works where the Harris campaign was good but not great and in an election where there were so many headwinds you have to be better than perfect.

    You are right though that propaganda was a bigger factor than any messaging issues from Kamala. We are truly in a post fact society and I don’t know how we fix that. Democrats sure as hell don’t have the ability to fix a multiple billion dollar industry funded by the wealthiest people in the world.
     
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    Animals live in a brutal world as far as gathering food. I'm pretty sure a lot would store food if they can and I think some do.
     
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    A lot of people are comfortable with their incomes and a lot of people are disconnected from a lot of social justice causes.

    That's the problem for progressives
     
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    The harsh reality that you don't wanna accept is if kamala had pivoted to the center on culture issues she'd be the president right now. Both her internal polling and trumps campaign admits the trans issues is what buried her. It wasn't "economic anxiety" or lack of "economic populism" which some folks wanna claim @dobro122.

    Harris should've tackled the trans issue better but they refused to engage in the disinformation cuz they didn't wanna upset activists.
     
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    Progressives are utterly delusional people. They cant grasp the reality that people are really concerned about culture war issues even though it's effin stupid cuz most of it doesn't personally effect them.

    This is why Republicans focusing on trans issues and not economic issues is so smart. They understand that minorities are culturally conservative and economically liberal.

    If you dont meet the voters where they are you'll lose every time
     
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    You tackle the trans issue by not ignoring it but pivoting from it to the economic messaging as I was saying. You can’t just assume Americans are smart enough to not be influenced by the trans fear mongering. Americans aren’t that smart and easily fear mongered.

    The Harris campaign ran ads back to back with Trump ads where they knew they’d be solely focused on fear mongering trans people. They let those ads go unanswered too much imo.

    Colin Alred towards the end ran some good ads after horrible anti trans Ted Cruz ads that addressed the lies they just saw on the previous ad. That was good but probably too late.
     
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    You can't tackle the trans issues by ignoring it!!! The Harris campaign literally just did this and it failed completely. What in the world are you talking about my man. The Trump campaign said that their most effective ads were anti trans ads and convicned the most amount of swing voters for trump. The Harris internal polling says the exact same thing.

    Nobody gives a **** about economic populism in 2024. No offense but youre completely unaware of where the American electorate is. Nobody cares about universal healthcare when the amount of uninsured Americans are at all time low. Bernie sanders GOT less votes than kamala and ran behind every other Democratic Senator.

    Its just mind blowing how utterly out of touch some of you folks are with the American electorate. It doesnt matter if you run anti trans ads unless the official policy of the party is anti trans women playing in women sports.
     
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    Aight. Many minority groups also have even more stronger patriarchal misogynistic views of how society should be organized.


    Understand one thing about the right. The sad thing is you understand these culture war issues are distractions because right wing politics doesn't have room to discuss things like healthcare policy. Now think about the motivation of the right to push these culture wars and try to use that matter between your ears and logically deduce the next step of the right wing culture wars media propaganda machine when Democrats give in to the trans issue and campaign around condemning the the current strain of trans activism. Also understand that these fringe cultur wars issues are testing grounds for the right to see what society tolerates in terms of targeting hate towards specific groups of people, usually smaller groups that are on the fringes of society where normal people see them as inherently weird as they are easier targets to start with. They see that society is willing to throw trans people under the bus they will then push farther and move onto generic homosexuality where we regress back to early aughts politics of trying defend basic homosexuality again. The right can also turn pivot from trans to women not breeding enough or women caring about their careers too much.

    So does that mean Democrats every time they cave and the right pivots to the next group where that next group often becomes larger in scope they just have to have to concede every time. So in 2032 Democrats will have to campaign on chastising women for being career driven too much.


    What is the saying?

    "First they came for…”

    It seems you are a ahistorical person similar to Trump and a lot of reactionary strains in this country. Don't understand these patterns.
     
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    Society as a whole doesn't agree with those points that you have stated above. At some point the right will over reach and that'll come back to bite them in the ass but on the issue of trans women playing with biological women is definitely not one of those topics.

    The vast majority of the American public doesn't want trans women plahing with biological women. I agree that it's a dumb issue that shouldn't matter as much as it does but unfortunately its where the American electorate is at the moment.

    Democrats should always pivot to where the electorate is. Fighting for a unpopular position is a certain way of never winning a national election again.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    A dumb issue the American electorate buys into due to propaganda is a continuous concept. I'm assuming you'd be all for banning Dungeons and Dragons in the run up to the 1992 election because of the fake moral panic the right created then with the Satanic Panic.

    So be rest assured American can be convinced to be hateful and bigoted to any group if they are consumed with the right type of media to brainwash them with. I mean as a nation we play love the Arab language and don't let Arab speakers say terms of "resistance" in their native tongue without accusing them of being terrorists. Americans can be convinced by anything.

    You don't lie down and roll over. You break these right wing media figures and social media influencers. You go to their shows understanding you are about to burn Bridges and never be invited again. You humiliate and shame them for being charlatan grifters pointing out the contrast between real issues like unfordable rent to Lia Thomas. You do an aggressive campaign dismantling their fake issues and explain to their audience that they are funded by wealthy people to distract you.

    And I keep on saying this and you seem to ignore it. It's easier to tell people a issue is fake if it doesn't effect their personal lives.

    Apply your logic with voter fraud. Right wing media has successfully spammed the narrative and convinced millions of Americans that our vote counting system is fake news. They sincerely believe this. Does this mean Democrats have to give in to the framing that our vote counts can't be trusted?

    Instead of conceding to the ridiculous framing done by right wing propaganda networks every time they successfully brainwash an idea to millions, how about we just discredit their propaganda machine. Target the influencers. Target Rogan. Target Poole. Target the Daily Wire. Show the world that these people don't hold any sincere opinions and are charlatans.
     

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