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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. kpdark

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    I think Jalen becoming a really good catch and shoot player will make him a lot more valuable to the team, because Alpi and Fred and Amen will keep finding him.

    Other areas of improvement I would like to see:

    - cutting
    - pick and roll with Alpi like Fred did it last season
    - not overlooking Alpi when he is open
    - reduce "silly" turnovers (dribbling the ball off his own foot) - quite a bit of that seems not from a lack of skill, but just from a lack of focus in the moment

    Overall, Jalen has a ton of potential. Would be great if he were to become part of a big four with the core of Alpi, Amen, Tari.
     
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    He always defaults to shooting contested step back 3's this season. It seems like it's the shot he's the most comfortable taking when the offense breaks down, but he doesn't make them. He better find another a couple of moves in an ISO because that step back is horrifying to watch, it's basically a heave at this point.
     
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    I don't know where you think I ever disagreed with you about volume affecting percentages. I never said that in any post. Jalen 3 point shooting has been the same with volume which is good but he's was so bad before that I don't think you can just blame volume. he's also been so bad from 2 that you can't say he's a good shooter. I will stand by it and say he sucks at shooting because his percentages are terrible.

    look at Anthony Edwards. His volume went up even more than Jalen's and he's shooting 43%...

    Bad shooters shouldn't take 9 threes a game like he does. Cuz the good ones will make more than 34%...
     
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    He is shooting like dogshit, but every starter is.

    They ARE however defending their asses off and hustling. I can't hate it.

    If we ever make open shots we are going to be damn scary.
     
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    I find it funny for people to single out Cam's bad shooting in like 10 minutes a game.

    That dude never plays.

    How is that helping out Jalen?

     
  8. DaDakota

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    Jalen only fans are uber sensitive.

    DD
     
  9. kpdark

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    Jalen letting it fly here with the Rockets... whilst

    Cam letting it fly on the Vipers..

    BOTH needing the reps to hone 3pt shooting[most especially], passing and defense, etc..

    then they'll PAIR UP soon/next season as starters..

    might be with Giannis, who knows...[Nigerian connection with Ime and Legend Hakeem could entice Giannis to the Rockets---we already have a Nigerian Night right..]
     
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    I prefer Jalen drawing fouls. That's the most important skill that separates stars from non stars. He just has a problem doing that. You can't be efficient unless you are an elite shooter like Steph if you don't draw fouls.
     
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    Alpi draws a ton of them. He is currently no. 13 in the entire NBA in fouls drawn.
     
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    Jalen has been given years to be decent at shooting. Nice to see jalen fans giving cam a just a couple of weeks into his second season before he is written off lol
     
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    You are right he should get to the line more but he has no problem doing that. He went to the line 6+ times as a skinny 19 year old. That’s a historic level of FTA for that age, in fact I’d venture to say there’s less than 5 players in NBA history who were that prolific at that age.

    I don’t know why people don’t want to see it. This offense would reduce anyone’s paths to the rim and make them take a crazy amount of 3’s. Whether that’s Jalen Green or Michael Jordan, doesn’t matter. Anyone would see a dip in their expected numbers.

    The entire starting lineup is struggling to get good shots and all of them are taking more 3’s than their skill level permits. We’ve heard Udoka say a million times he doesn’t want Green to attack a packed paint. We’ve heard him say teams are packing the paint. What’s supposed to happen? This is a systemic problem. Green is obviously doing what he’s told - otherwise the coach wouldn’t keep saying we want him to take those shots.

    Jalen Green was never ever ever supposed to gave us a good 3PT% at 9+ attempts per game so stop expecting that till he’s in his prime 25+ years old. Not promised by his draft scouting report. Not by him. Not by our GM. Not by our first coach. If you’re sad about not getting that from him (not you specifically, I mean in general), you’ve totally lost the plot and have shoved yourself too deep into the box to see the big picture.

    What he is supposed to deliver is bunches of points as a slashing wing who can kick out if you push up or hit basic open 3’s if you sag off - but it can’t happen well if we have the worst spacing in the NBA. It just can’t be the worst, we can’t make excuses for the worst spacing in the league and watch it affect every single player’s expected drives to the rim, and act like it’s not happening. Who does that? Would you treat Dwayne Wade, Jimmy Butler or Ja Morant as floor spacers? Why shouldn’t they make a high volume of open 3’s?

    Cause it’s not their game that’s why. if you want the promised production out of Green, give him average spacing. Just average. We can’t achieve average spacing? I know excellent spacing is not realistic and would suit everyone. But can we just get average spacing? Do 26 teams REALLY have better shooting starters than us? Lots of teams are starting multiple poor/mediocre shooters so what’s their secret?

    Udoka has to take less than 41 games to figure this out. He has to get better at this.
     
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    Maybe it is the physicality and defense that making everyone shoot like shet. I feel like we play a style of basketball that is hard on everyone physically, especially when Amen and Tari are both in the game, just constant deflections, offensive rebounds and running on every possession. The opponent gets tired, we get tired, no one scores a lot
     
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    Jalen has actually been playing great for the Rockets.

    He is averaging his highest FG in shots 0-2 ft from the basket (70%), averaging career high in FT% (86%) and even his 3 pt while slightly below league average is still his highest career average at 34%.

    All these combine to make him the team closer and he has been clutch multiple times now. What drags his percentage down are his midrange shots where he has been godawful, but tbh mid range is a bad shot anyway he should cut down on that and he should be good.

    What I appreciate is he has embraced the team culture of defense, hustle and rebounding that Udoka has preached. He also isnt jealous of other success or try to get all the shots. Him and Sengun are the leaders of this team and they set the tone for the positive attitude and good chemistry the team has.


    James Harden for example was vastly more talented than Green but he also fought with almost every costar he had and his excessive partying and star treatment couldnt have been good for team morale. These kind of stuff dont really show in the box score, but I'm sure it is critical to team success.
     
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    Teams are packing the paint as the Rockets are packing the paint for opponent teams.

     
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    Comically silly post... He's nowhere close to being as good a shooter and may never be... If Amen had Green's shooting ability and handle... He'd be a star RIGHT NOW... And this is with the fact that Jalen isn't a particularly great shooter and I'd say his handle is like a 7.5/10.
    Those are the two holes in Amen's game and he's not close to being better than Jalen in those aspects.
     
  18. Air Canada

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    These are the kinda comments that show a lack of ball IQ.

    Do you understand the difference in volume and types of shots? Amen almost exclusively is shooting catch and shoot super wide open three's... And he's shooting 1 a game for this season and his career.

    Jalen shoots 34.5% on 9 attempts per game.
    37% on catch and shoot 3pters(3.6 attempts per game) both which needs to be better of course, but compare that with Amen... Stop it LOL
     
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    He would never shoot 9 threes a game cuz he's a terrible shooter and would have nights far worse than Green's WORST... Idk if you know, but in the NBA you NEEEEED 3pt volume/output.... And you need the defense to respect the shots of multiple players to have any level of good shot quality/spacing which the Rockets don't have.... Right now Jalen, Tari, and Dillon... Have been our best shooters cuz everyone else is CLANKING... Only Jalen and Dillon are shooting a relatively high volume.
     
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    There's no evidence of noteworthy improvement... He shoots ONE THREE PER GAME... He's 16% for his career at 1 a game.
     

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