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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Nov 13, 2024.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Do you read what I type. I literally said that don't even engage in the conversation of debating whether trans people should play in women's sports. Tell them it's a moral panic issue that effects such a miniscule amount of people in this country and ask the audience why do you think your host here obsessed over this and doesn't talk about lets say rent prices?

    More Americans will be upset about a presidential candidate bragging about a good economy while large swaths of Americans are struggling paycheck to paycheck than be upset and dismissing the trans issue as a red herring because it's not going to contradict the loved experiences of the overwhelming majority of audiences.
     
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    The only thing you'll accomplish by doing this is convincing voters how arrogant you are for not taking their concerns seriously. Americans have daughters and they don't want their daughters playing with trans women regardless if their kids play competitive sports or not. They don't wanna hear it. Period

    The more time you spend talking about an issue the public doesnt agree with you upon the more ground you are giving up to the Republicans. You can not convince people their fears are unwarranted. Americans don't want their daughters playing with trans women. Period

     
  3. fchowd0311

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    The mindset of a voter who believes this is a severe issue when Democrats give into right wing framing basically:

    "Why vote for Republican lite when I can vote for the real thing. These people seem to mean it when they want trans people out of sports". If the issue is that crucial as you perceive to the hearts of millions of Americans then the more fervent side will win the issue.
     
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    It would've swung the election! This is according to the trump campaign themselves! If Harris had come out against trans athletes and ran ads neutralizing the issue she would've won most likely !
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    How arrogant they are for saying I believe sky rocketing rent prices are a far significantly bigger issue than trans women in sports?

    Again, the perception of arrogance comes from politicians attempting to contradict your day to day experiences.

    Think about your logic. Now would you apply that that to the economy? How many Americans will feel like the Democrat party is arrogant for bragging about a good economy if they are struggling? No you wouldn't apply it because there is no logical process to your reactionary libbing. Now are you going to tell future Democrat campaigns to not sell on economic accomplishments? Apply your logic sincerely and see were you fall.
     
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    Yeah every time I log in he's online. I don't think he does anything else but live on this site complaining. I think he hates himself more than anything.
     
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    Do you ever get off the internet? Transfer people can have their own category but they don't belong in women's anything. They're men and that's not fair
     
  8. Xopher

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    It is not a red herring. It matters to people or else the GOP wouldn't have spent 215 million dollars on it. I think it is ****ing stupid for it to matter to them, but no amount of podcasting is going to change that. At the end of the day it a a politicians job to represent the people. The Democrats horrifically failed on this subject. I guarantee if you ask Democrats "If you had to stop transwomen from competing in government funded sports leagues like the Olympics or NCAA to prevent Donald Trump from being President, would you do it?" 99% would say "Yes" even trans non-sports playing people.
     
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    The democratic party did not run on claiming the economy was great. They ran 300+ million dollars on economic populism and how they were going to take on corporate greed. You're asking them to do SOMETHING THEY JUST DID. They dismissed the trans issues as red hearing and focused on economic populism.

    The American public was more concerned about the 200+ million dollar anti trans ads than they were about economic issues. This is why you're delusional and clueless. THEY DID WHAT YOURE ASKING THEM TO DO AND IT FAILED

    YOURE CLUELESS

    Thank you for getting it. Seriously. I hope the DNC gets it and pivots
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    Lol... Guess what these right wing media platforms and influencers did then? Clip chimp every moment Harris or Biden refenced a stronger economy and accomplishments and spammed them on feeds and podcasts and asked the question "do you feel like the economy is great at your home?".

    I guess we have to buy into the framing then that the economy is bad to not upset voters. Let's apply your logic.
     
  11. Xopher

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    I agree with you on this. There was not enough focus on everyday lives and people's feelings. However, all the GOP has is feelings and a ton of people, especially white mothers, had very specific feelings on the trans issue and they ended up voting GOP which possibly swung the election. I personally know 3 who have daughters in sports and said they didn't vote for Harris specifically for this issue
     
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    Progressives can't grasp the concept that minorities really care about culture war issues and Republicans understand this. Minorities tend to skew Democrat because of economic issues and not culture war issues
    Minorities believe in health care and higher education. The smartest thing Republicans have done is focus on unpopular culture war issues which divide minorities which allows Republicans to win nationally.

    Braindead lefties think if you just ignore or downplay culture war issues by telling voters they're stupid it'll take away their fears about culture war issues.

    You have to meet the voters where they are. If voters don't want trans people playing in womens sports you have to adopt that policy.

    How was there not a focus on this? The entire Harris ad campaign was focused on taking on high prices and economic populism. Every stump speech Harris gave the focused on economic issues !
     
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    Let's walk step by step through your logic here.


    Premise: minorities care about the cultr wars issue and Republicans know how to utilize it.

    So let's examine this premise. I'm assuming when you mean minorities caring about culture wars means they have more traditional conservative values which as a minority in some cases this is true and some cases it isn't.

    Which then if official drawn out implies the Democrats have no choice but to agree on all right wing culture wars crusades or fear losing the minority vote..


    So the right wing has won the culture wars?

    Again, why would these people you perceive to only vote for Trump because of trans women in a women's swim meet would ever even consider "Republican lite" if they know when Republicans say they think transgenderism is a evil ideology they mean it. Why even consider Republican lite at that point?

    Seems like it's a more sustainable approach to convince people that wealthy people are distracting them from the issues facing them day to day.
     
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    If that is why they voted for a person who say stuff like "migrants poison the blood of this country" why would they even consider the Democrat party unless the party goes fully aligned with the trans obsessions the right tackles it with?


    I'm not going to change my mind on this because of those three women. I'm hopeful those three women can be convinced it's a moral panic issue distracting from real issues.
     
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    I get fchowds point. Harris did not talk specifically on how inflation came to be and the Biden administration was not to blame and how they were not to blame. Every Republican talking point was how her administration caused rising prices. She did not fight back on this. She did not show in detail the causes. Please tell me what was her solution to rising RENT costs. She talked about making purchasing a house easier. She talked about price gouging, but she never addressed the narrative of "ALL THESE PRICE INCREASES OCCURED ON YOUR WATCH!" The interviews she gave were not conducive to this type of conversation. You certainly can't do it during a stump speech rally. She should have went on every single podcast Trump did and explain these things. You are more able to have a lengthier and more substantive conversation there.
     
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    Unfortunately Kamala seems rather robotic and full of talking points rather than an individual that can make rhetorical arguments on the fly during these long form type "discussions" on podcasts. I honestly believe Kamala is not the right type of candidate to do this. Neither was Biden obviously to even a larger extent. Obama.... yes, he had that rhetorical quick wit to make arguments on the fly with no coaching
     
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    People have degrees of issues. If their first issue is their daughter playing sports and someone is trying to effect that then that is what they vote for. People are stupid. They are sheep. They are ONE ISSUE VOTERS. If you kneecap that one issue, you win.
     
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    People can simply ask their daughters how many trans people are in their sports league and 99% of daughter in sports leagues would say "none". There simple way of people being seen how fake the moral panic is.
     
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    They could have coached her on the nuances of the causes of inflation and what she wants to do with rental markets, but I agree with you.
     
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    215 million dollars was spent flaming the fake moral panic. Nothing was done to combat it.
     
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