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  1. fchowd0311

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    You would scream and call MLK a racist if you existed back then and read what MLK said about white moderates. If I didn't disclose who wrote this:

    First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

    Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."


    You would call that person a crazy leftist extremist.

    Of course MLK compromised when he needed to. But I'm sure you'd ignore that the moment he called out white moderates being fake and superficial.
     
  2. astros123

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    I love how you're forgetting about MLK campaigning for lbj and actively helped him win and cheered on his victory. MLK was a realist who understood how to make sacrifices. He would laugh at your braindead talking points.

    Mlk knew what battles to fight and what to concede.

    https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/johnson-lyndon-baines#:~:text=Later that year Johnson won,King, 4 November 1964).
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    MLK didn't hate white people. Neither do I or the person you initially replied to who expressed the same exact opinion as MLK.

    There is no ounce of doubt within my being that believes you would call MLK a racist accelerationist if you lived back in his era.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    Dude is just really bad at making rhetorical arguments.
     
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    At the same time MLK campaigned for LBJ and actively went out and convicted folks to vote for lbj. MLK didn't throw his hands up and call everyone a racist. He understood the need to make sacrifices for the greater good.

    You want dems to die on the hill of allowing trans women play with biological women and think dems should convince the public its perfectly normal for trans folks to play with biological women.

    I've never met anyone as delusional as you on these forums. Its unbelievable

    I'm bad? Everything i said makes complete sense to folks who aren't in a left wing bubble. You want dems to go on Rogan and convince the public something that they overwhelming agree with that they're all wrong.

    Youre delusional
     
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    I already stated that he didn’t. You do though.
     
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    No doubt in my mind that you give off school shooter vibes.
     
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    Yeah Chowd spends his time defending guys who pretend to be girls.He's a complete weirdo
     
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    To @astros123 point. Even a lot of people on the left who support trans rights are against transwomen in women's sports. It is an ideological issue. When the GOP spends 215 million dollars on ads, it is an issue? Do you really believe the GOP is that stupid they spent this money not knowing it was red meat to people? Do I give a **** if 1000 trans women don't get to play a sport vs a demagouge running the ****ing country? You cannot win everything. So again do I give a **** when less than 5% of a group who makes up 0.5% of the population can't play a sport? No I don't. I am not willing to die on that hill. Not when the entire country is at stake.
    To your point Harris did a horrific ****ing job of telling people how their rent is going to become more affordable. She should pounded on the court cases in progress to block price fixing in rental markets. She should have talked about corporations owning over 50% of rental houses. She should have explained the reasons why inflation was so bad at the beginning of Biden's term. You go on podcasts to do that, because they are long form and an explanation can be given.

    Astros123 is not arguing against trans rights. He is arguing about transwomen being in women's sports. Which the majority of the electorate is against.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    You people are so fine with telling Americans about how great the economy is when it contradicts the loved experiences of millions to where they might feel gaslit yet you can't tell the American people it's a red herring moral panic issue meant to distract from real issues where millions of Americans aren't going to feel gaslit because it doesn't contract their loved experiences as 99.9% of Americans never had to deal with transgender people in sports in their personal lives.

    Rest assured 99.9% of Americans aren't feeling like "the economy is good"


    99?9% of Americans never had one negative encounter with trans people.

    There is no valid point here. Do you understand right wing culture wars playbook?

    You give in and accept right wing narratives they will just push further until you have to buy into a event more extreme framing years down the line in perpetuity until the right has won all narratives. The right will never settle on culture wars because it's an issue the vast majority of media figures who spam the issue don't believe in the stuff they say therefore they can in had faith push further and further every time moderates fear right wing propaganda and give into their framing.

    We went from a GOP party that voted in presidents that do amnesty for illegal immigrants to now wanting to create mass prison camps to deport 20 million people because of the Democrat party falling for the right wing playbook near every election cycle.
     
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    He spends all day, every day, on a basketball sub forum bitterly blaming white people for everything. Then, when someone calls him out, he calls them a racist.

    It should be in an Alanis Morrisette song.
     
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  12. Xopher

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    You're missing the ****ing forest for the trees. You're right 99.9% of Americans will never have to deal with transgender people in sports, but for some ****ed up reason a couple hundred MILLION people care about it. If you are willing to lose an election to a totalitarian demagogue for a group who makes up 0.5% of the country then a very small subsection who actually plays competitive sports, then you have lost the ****ing plot.
    Hell ask ALL trans people "If you have to sacrifice transwomen in sports to prevent Donald Trunp from being President" what do you think they would say?
     
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  13. fchowd0311

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    The Democrat party needs to self reflect on how they are losing on issues the right wing talks about that doesn't effect 99.9% of the population.
    You are losing on an issue that 99.9% of Americans don't feel any impact on? It's that hard to call out these social media propaganda machines not reflecting the real issues that actual Americans face in mass?


    How pathetic does a party have to be to fail like this?
     
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    The point that I keep trying to make is don't go to war with the public on a topic they don't agree with you on. Its a braindead strategy that makes ZERO SENSE. Go on right wing podcasts and talk about economic populism. Talk about the need to break up big tech. Talk about the need to break up corporations. Talk about the need of a billionaire tax. Talk about tax fairness.

    Going on right wing podcasts and convincing folks that their wrong for thinking trans folks shouldn't play with biological women is never a winning strategy which lefties can't grasp. They think you democrats should go to war with the public and convince them something they thing is wrong and it's actually not a big thing.

    The more you talk about culture war issues the more you are allowing republicans to win. As a Muslim myself the vast majority of minorities which make up the democratic base is culturally conservative.

    He doesn't get it. Its so unbelievable how he's so clueless
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    How do you make every single independent sports league in America ban transgender women? You want to do authoritarian measures to tackle trans people? That's how far you are willing to buy into right wing narratives?

    Millions of people care because Democrats haven't not put in the effort to go on these platforms that spam these issues and calling them out on creating fake issues to distract from things like rent price fixing at a national level. And millions of people can stop caring about the issue because it's easier for people to stop caring about an issue that doesn't effect them.

    You have to do the leg work to discredit these right wing media apparatuses like Twitter and podcast brospheres. You have to on on them with the understanding you will burn birdges. Go on Joe Rogan and in front of face say stuff like:

    " To the fans of Joe Rogan. I want to ask you how many times he has discussed the issue of private companies creating software to price fix your rent and that is why you've seen your rent hike up over the past 8 years. Has Joe Rogan ever talked to you about this? How many times has he told you about some random trans swimmer in a women's swim meet? Ask yourself what effects your life more and why Joe Rogan doesn't concentrate on the stuff that effects YOU? "

    You need to detach the American public from these influences. You need to discredit them. Smear them as charlatans who never discuss issues that effect normal people.
     
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    You don't discuss the validity of the concept of trans women in sports.

    You immediately dismiss the issue as a red herring. You don't even contemplate addressing the issue. You immediately pivot to a price that millions of Americans are effected by and ask the host why you never cofer this topic.
     
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    I've never come across someone as completely delusional as you. Its unbelievable honestly and you represent everything that's wrong with the progressive party. Purity politics
     
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    "Go on the right wing podcasts and tell everyone their stupid for thinking biological women should be playing with trans women!!!"

    Lets convince the public something they overwhelming think is stupid and belittle their concerns. Unbelievable brainrot
     
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    You act as if I'm going on about transgender ideology and trying to defend it constantly.

    I'm not even asking Democrats to defend transgenderism. I'm asking Democrats to call out people who bosses over the issue as grifters trying to kill hated and distract Americans from real issues.
     
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    You don't, but you don't include them in Title 9 for sports. You say that you can't control private sports leagues. You also say you will prevent it in Government funded universities. Hell this one statement might have swung the election
     
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