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White Nationalism Watch - Trump 2.0

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Nov 8, 2024.

  1. Salvy

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    You do know "very fine people" was debunked long ago... If not then Im sorry for intruding in your fantasy.... Carry on..
     
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  2. jo mama

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    what was debunked exactly? we all heard what he said.
     
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  3. Tomstro

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    No no no. It never existed before Trump. CNN never looks for the smallest, irrelevant, stupid detail to rip the right. Never! Also, there are absolutely no crazy extremists on the left and there never has been.

    What’s also cool is that we only need to hear about white extremists. CNN is correct for only reporting about white extremists, even if it’s just 3 people standing with a stupid flag. CNN would never report on non-white extremists probably because there are aren’t any. Stupid Trump.
     
  4. Salvy

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    I know you wont watch this because it distorts your reality but maybe just maybe it can help you stop spreading fake news... You can continue hating Trump thou... No one will ever take that from you...

     
  5. Xopher

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    You're smarter than this. Hitler made the Jews out to be the "others". Trump just has a different set of "others". Had Germany been full of Hispanics, and not the Jews , they would have been the ones Hitler went after. This is utilizing BASIC critical thinking skills.
     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    the "very fine people" interview transcript is at https://www.politico.com/story/2017...white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

    relevant excerpt:

    REPORTER: Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?

    TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

    REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?

    TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

    REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

    TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

    REPORTER: George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.

    TRUMP: Oh no, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down – excuse me. Are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Okay, good. Are we going to take down his statue? He was a major slave owner. Are we going to take down his statue? You know what? It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.

    REPORTER: I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly?

    TRUMP: No, no. There were people in that rally, and I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly, the taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call ‘em. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know, I don’t know if you know, but they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: there are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country. Does anybody have a final – does anybody have a final question? You have an infrastructure question.

     
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    This is ridiculous. Absolutely mind blowing stupid.
     
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    Yo who was the individual and what group was he part of that signed up for the permit and organized the march to save the statue of a confederate traitor?

    If you are an individual motivated enough to attend a protest organized by a self labeled white nationalist group to save the statue of a confederate general, you are guaranteed to be a white nationalist sympathizing racist
     
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    He said white nationalists and neo nazi’s should be condemned totally.
     
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    my reality is based off of statements that trump himself made in the wake of charlottesville when he said that neo nazis and white supremacists were "very fine people".

    also, youre supposed to hate people who say neo-nazis are very fine people, incites an insurrection against our government, says POWs are not war heroes because they were captured, mocks people with cerebral palsy, steals classified material and hides it when asked to give it back, sides with putin over all of our nations intel agencies, brags about sexually assaulting women, advocates violence and even death against his political opponents and mocks people who have violence brought upon them.

    the fact that you support someone who engages in these things says a lot about what kind of person you are.
     
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    So every single individual who attended a protest to protect the dignity of Robert E Lee?
     
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    if you could find the transcript of that statement it would probably help advance the conversation here
     
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    How many very fine people you know who drive and take time out of their lives to attend a protest organized by a self labeled white nationalist group to save the statue of a Confederate traitor... a dude who was a traitor because he had debts to pay and needed his slaves to pay them off?

    No he wasn't a traitor because "his heart was in Virginia".
     
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    Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
     
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    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/white-nationalism-watch-trump-2-0.324581/page-12#post-15454899
     
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    Severo wild dance.gif
     
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    We read that. The point of contention is a disagreement on whether anyone who goes out of their way to attend a rally started by a self labeled white nationalist group(they were the ones who filed the permit) that wants to save the dignity of a confederate general would be considered a white nationalist or white nationalist sympathizer and due to that distinction whether Trump labeled white nationalist sympathizers as "very fine people".

    You obviously know where I stand. I'm sure you have those great empathy skills to see the good aspects of people who take time out of their lives to attend white nationalist rallies and therefore there are always going to be "very fine people" in any group of people including neo-nazis and ISIS members. We can utilize empathy skills to acknowledge there are "very fine" people" because we have to look deep within their hearts...


    That is what you are doing right? You are well known for exercising empathy here.
     
  19. Salvy

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    Is Severo getting deported? I will take my vote back if Trump dares...
     
  20. Os Trigonum

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    gotta think Severo is a full-fledged citizen. State employee, reads books to kids, etc.
     
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