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White Nationalism Watch - Trump 2.0

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Nov 8, 2024.

  1. Nook

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    Those that do not have basic human rights and want them are not the people I am talking about - however there are people (I know some) that will go out of their way to pigeon hole themselves into a particular group that is battling inequality - and it borders on the White Messiah Complex that has and to some extent still does exist.
     
  2. Tomstro

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    You broke the law. Physical intimidation and physical threats are assault right?

    Even though you may have been creative with your language, if you made them to feel threatened physically, they can take action.

    Right?
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Wut are you even talking about dude? Be more explicit.
     
  4. Nook

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    Which "group"? I didn't say a group of people and I am not talking about any group of people - I am talking about individual people I know, and their activities tend to extend to whatever group of people is fighting for greater equality at the time.

    As for trans people - there are some that I believe go to far on particular points, but I do not know personally, a single trans person that isn't fair and reasonable in their struggles and what they want ----- unfortunately social media tends to draw attention to extremes across the board.

    I also find it funny that you always discuss "suburban".... which I guess is fair, I do now live in a suburban area but I did not grow up in one, and did not live in one for many years.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    Yeah.... not falling for this gaslighting attempt. Don't focus on how we just voted for a criminal who praises Hitler. NO NO NO... It's ALL about Kamala!!!

    Just lazy gaslighting.

    Look Kamala can be critiqued as she should. But the reason Trump won wasn't because Kamala made some strategic mistake, or because Kamala was the nominee instead of another Democrat. Trump won because 49% of the country said "I WANT THAT." and decided to touch that hot stove for x,y, and z reasons.

    You aren't going to gaslight us into feeling like we are the problem here. The pro-Democracy coalition is perfectly capable of critiquing itself, and hand ringing without needing you to come in and wag your finger at voters who voted Kamala. When you guys do this you are just reinforcing the victimhood and whiny nature of the right. There's this anger you guys have when you don't see us coddling you, and saying that we have to JUST LISTEN more to what Trump voters really want, and all their issues.

    What you are hearing now is a fck that response from the left that is well deserved. We don't owe Trump supporters anymore of our time and their needs and anxieties are not my concern. I don't care about their inability to manage their bank account to the point where they can't afford 5 dollar eggs that they go get in their jacked up F150 or Cybertruck.

    The "fck your feelings" crowd is simply getting a taste of their own medicine. Nobody is crying victimhood on the left either because in it the... 75% of Trump supporters just fcked themselves. The college educated people who voted for Kamala are the ones who will be okay.
     
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    I'm glad some individual allows you to "both sides" the "wokes" and people who spread stories of ethnic groups eating cats and dogs.

    I don't know what this individual did to you but apparently it caused enough trauma to compare people being jubilant about a deportation effort over 20 million humans to some activist wanting kids access to puberty blockers.

    The discussion is becoming to vague to understand what you are referring to specifically where "both sides are the same". I'm sure both sides are the same in the sense every side, even your "side" or the neo-liberal side have annoying individuals so I don't understand the utility in speaking of annoying individuals. Annoying individuals exist? Okay??
     
  7. Nook

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    There are people that decide that they are champions for oppressed groups and that they speak for all of those in oppressed groups. They are - in my experience - usually white males that come from means. I know several people like that - I care for them deeply, but they are out in force, at the extreme claiming they speak for whatever particular group...... the person I am specifically thinking about has claimed he is a champion for black rights... then gay rights.... then trans rights and now women's rights ........ he calls for all kinds of extreme action, does not actually listen to or particularly care what members of said groups actually wants...... but he is self-important and he will consume huge amounts of far left media, and will repeat claims that are not factually true.... and when called out on it will literally say "Not as bad as Trump".... he is not an isolated case, there are others out there like that as well.
     
  8. Nook

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    I broke the law? Am I in prison? Has anyone brought charges against me? Have I been convicted by a group of my peers? No....... I am perfectly fine, and more importantly - my son is very likely to be perfectly fine.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    Don't you do this when you speak for women when you say their complaints about the trans movement are valid? You've heard women say it? Okay I'm sure those white males heard people in said minority group they are "playing savior" for expressing the talking points they bring up.

    MLK never talked about annoying activist white saviors being the enemy. He was referring to milquetoast suburban white liberals that will throw minorities under the bus the moment it harms them... the neo-liberal faction. MLK would probably appreciate those overzealous white male activists.

    Out of the entire Democrat party, it's the neo-liberal establishment wing that has its politicians say stuff like "If you vote for Trump you ain't Black". No individual that is part of the "squad" or progressive wing of the party would ever dare to say something like that. It's the neo-lib establishment wing of the party that believe that they deserve automatic support from the Black and Latino community.
     
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    Very well said.

    The trump supporters here are busy deluding themselves, in my opinion. Playing the "victims" when they "won" this election, won with the help of billionaires who are busy salivating while awaiting their reward - tax cuts for the rich. Billionaires who couldn't care less about them. trump, who couldn't care less about them.

    Any difficulties they go through over the next 4 years because of the actions of trump and his minions? They will blame it on Democrats, liberals, progressives, and so on. The supposed "threats" they claim to live in fear of. Their usual place to lay blame if life hasn't turned out to be their cup of tea. What a sad group they are. Sad and delusional, in my opinion.
     
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  11. Nook

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    Am I doing that? Sure to some degree - the difference is that I did not reach that conclusion on my own - that is explicitly what a lot of women have told me and I also won't tell a woman what women want or think.

    I also am not taking to social media discussing how group X, Y and Z will commit violence if they do not get A, B and C.


    In 2024 - the oppressed and minority groups can speak for themselves far more so than in in the early 1960's.

    Radical extremists that hop from social struggle to social struggle for attention and validation are doing a disservice.

    There is a difference between being an ally and speaking for them.

    Yeah - I don't think this is at all applicable, in fact it proves my point for me.
     
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    If you're a lawyer, you should be the first one to press X for doubt if someone tells you a completely one-sided story.
     
  13. Nook

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    If you are not a lawyer - why do you think that you can tell a lawyer what a lawyer should or should not do on a hypothetical legal question?

    Also, it wasn't a one sided story as I also spoke to several of the fathers that admitted that they ran their mouths in front of their kids and shouldn't have.

    Third, my son didn't even know about it when the Principal called me.
     
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    1. lol at the arrogance - you have no idea what I do or what degrees I hold - I think appeals to personal authority are tacky as hell on an anonymous debate message board so I avoid them unlike yourself and others.

    2. It's a one sided story because you're the only one presenting their side of the story.
     
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    Sometimes you pick weird fights. He claimed MAGA and the extreme left both have a victimhood culture. Millions on one side and thousands on the other. It's not a both sidesism. If you want to have an intelligent conversation on the subject, it should probably be another thread.
     
  16. Nook

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    I think people coming out of the blue and saying "As X you should know Y" are not constructive and a way to claim having an informed and valid opinion when you don't really have one.

    As for arrogance - you really should check yourself - as it is clear you are not used to someone pointing out the incredible level of arrogance that permeates what you post.

    Okay.
     
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    The important thing is the last sentence.
    Glad you two are OK.
     
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    I grew up in a rough area. I got jumped. Would’ve been a bad idea for my Dad to go vigilante on their parents.

    I guess it’s different for you.
     
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    Different for me? People approach things differently based on their life experiences.

    There is no one size fits all - I have made mistakes in my life and will continue to, and I try to go with what has been successful for me and what I believe if fair and just.

    Having said that - if there were legal consequences, I would have dealt with them and understood that they were a result of decisions I made.

    I am not advising that everyone do things the way I do - and I have learned from others that sometimes there are better ways to do things.
     
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    I understand the sentiment of wanting to protect your children.

    Wouldn't recommend actually resorting to violence though, lawyer or not.
     

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