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What went wrong for Kamala?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ROXRAN, Nov 6, 2024.

  1. DaDakota

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    That is just not true. Many people thought it only a black movement - and those poor people in trailers in Arkansas, or Mississippi were wondering, well that's nice, but what about us? Trailer lives matter.....

    It was mislabeled, and that matters, people don't think deeply about things...that is where you are off base.

    Does it mean - Black Lives matter only, or Black lives matter more, or black lives matter too?

    The TROLLS pick up on mislabeling and amplify that portion - and there is no going back from that.

    LABEL THINGS correctly and this doesn't happen.

    DD
     
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    We don't want to discriminate against certain groups etc, but when it get to the point you cannot even honor those who do well at school, it is just does not make sense. There is now no honor roll, reporting of national merit scholars, class rank at my old high school, which my daughter is currently attending. To me the US currently is a lot like China during the cultural revolution, ideological correctness (left and right) is much more important than common sense.
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    No dude. The type of white people who would say "what about us" would say the same thing even if you said "black lives matter also".

    Because it was very obvious what the slogan meant. Anyone who tried to frame it as some black supremacy movement did it out of bad faith.
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    I'm not much enjoying the post-mortem with friends, so I think this will be my only comment (I say that now...). Yeah, she's a minority and female. That's a drag on the margins. Yeah, it's not ideal how Biden was in and then he was out and she managed to win the convention vote without a challenge. I'm sure many other things have been enumerated. But, I don't think she could have done any better, regardless.

    My whole life, people have complained that we have a Kodos-vs-Kang duopoly in which, no matter who wins the election, the elites will run the government. This is the agitation of the modern-day proletariat in a class struggle. Trump came to be the vanguard. He operated in the world of the elites but obviously didn't embrace their values and this version of the proletariat saw that he would actually go and break things (unlike, say, John McCain, who claimed to be a "maverick" but was a thoroughbred elite institutionalist).

    After he was elected, he did break things, but he managed to scare the crap out of all of us elites and we managed to muster enough strength to kick him out. But the institutionalist we installed embodied many of the traits and trappings of the elitism that the proletariat objected to -- the paternalism, the bureaucracy, big government, lead the world, deliberative process, trust the experts, be ethical, sacrifice for others, etc, etc. All signals that the electorate should stfu and trust the elites to run the country. And his successor's promise was more of the same; and as a well-educated, strong minority woman she is, in her very identity, an embodiment of that elitism. People like me want the elites to run the country. But many voters on the margin feel like they've been burned too often by the oligopoly. But here is Trump, with a record of breaking things and going so far as to commit crimes to break them, and he's promising to do twice as much damage the second time around. When we say to the disaffected that he's extreme they say 'good', when we say he's corrupt they say but he's betraying a crime family; and when we say he's a fascist, they say he has to be to break the oligarchy. Criticism is heard as fear. For the rest who managed to turn out for Biden, I think the passage of time has dulled the memory of the chaos of the Trump administration but there's also a fatigue -- especially for someone accustomed to the simple exercise of picking Kang or Kodos -- for having to defend democracy itself every four years.

    All this isn't to say the elites won't rule. The elites always rule, which is why we call them elites. We will get some churn on who is in, but it will be well-educated and capable people with many good relationships with other elite people, just like always. But, this is a bit of a revolution because the power of the old oligarchy is broken. It didn't break in 2016, but it broke now. Trump managed to pivot his party and leveraged populist sentiment to gain total control of the government. Harris lost because she promised nothing more than a return to the old oligarchy. Democrats didn't pivot when Republicans pivoted. And democrats will probably run someone conventional like Gavin Newsom (white, hetero, cis-gendered male to avoid all those subconscious prejudices) but they aren't going to win until (a) they find a disruptor who can attract a different constituency and/or (b) the Republicans fall on their collective faces when Trump's successor fails to embody his same promise.
     
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  5. fchowd0311

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    One of the most common tactical mistakes from DNC consultant class is the repeated mistake of taking right with talking points sincerely. No matter how you message as a Democrat politician, the right wing media apparatus will frame you as a commie who wants to put tampons up 5 year old boy's butts.

    Democrats need to learn this.
     
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    I heard that according to Pod Save America, Biden’s own internal polling forecasted Trump winning 400 EC votes against him, and this was pre-debate…his people were also privately telling reporters that if he stepped down, Kamala wouldn’t win either

    he eventually stepped down at the last second after the pressure was insurmountable leaving whoever was the new nominee basically just 3 months to campaign…he also immediately endorsed Kamala even tho he’d be an anchor around her neck eradicating any real chance of an open and competitive primary

    all this after Biden had been calling himself a transition President who would only serve 1 term

    Joe Biden purposefully doomed the Democrats…having that sort of internal polling and still not dropping out until the last second while also ensuring no primary takes place is akin to sabotage
     
  7. No Worries

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    $1.99 gasoline doomed the Ds.
     
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  8. HTM

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    No democrat was winning.

    No party can survive and retain the white house when there is a cost of living explosion. Absent some extreme circumstances It's essentially impossible.

    Democrats couldn't survive $9 a box cereal, $5 gallons of milk, car insurance doubling and rent doubling during the course of the Biden administration etc etc.

    Much ink will be spilled about why Kamala lost but it's as simple as that ^.
     
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    Unfortunately for all of us, these prices will never go down again. They might stop going up (hopefully), but they will never go down.
     
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    What's your target % for inflation?

    https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

    https://www.bls.gov/charts/consumer-price-index/consumer-price-index-by-category-line-chart.htm
     
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  13. Sajan

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    Ok.

    so what was the reason for the high inflation?
     
  14. HTM

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    Politically it doesn't matter what the cause of high inflation was.

    The party in charge when the high inflation occurs takes the beating in the next election.
     
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  15. Sajan

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    So no matter what the reason is…just swap parties.

    this is like firing a coach for not making the playoffs when you had key injuries in the season…
     
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  16. HTM

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    I’m not saying its right.

    I’m saying that’s the way it is. You’re in charge when inflation slams the people. Your party is gonna get poured out next election.
     
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    Both parties trained the American public to get bailed out by stimmies. I'm not sure how 36T will be paid off. Perhaps it's AI yadda yadda robotaxis yadda yadda Optimus slaves?

    Maybe Biden should've put his name on every check like what Donny did. Even if that extra spending caused some inflation, those people would know it went straight to them.
     
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