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What went wrong for Kamala?

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  1. GOATuve

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    DD is a clown
     
  2. GOATuve

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    You're partially right but nobody likes Harris. She never had a chance like I posted. Worst candidate ever
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/08/democrats-lost-credibility-harris-biden/

    Opinion Trying to protect Biden, Democrats sacrificed their credibility
    Democrats’ coverup of the president’s decline hurt their claim of being the party of truth.

    By the Editorial Board
    November 8, 2024 at 7:19 p.m. EST

    Vice President Kamala Harris didn’t just call special counsel Robert K. Hur’s report “gratuitous, inaccurate and inappropriate” when it came out in February. She claimed he was “clearly politically motivated” and impugned his integrity. Mr. Hur, appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to investigate Joe Biden’s mishandling of classified material, recommended that the 81-year-old president not face charges, partly because a jury could reasonably conclude that he’s “a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.” That assessment was based on Mr. Biden’s frequent forgetfulness and hazy answers during five hours of interviews with prosecutors. Speaking to reporters, Ms. Harris reacted furiously: “The way that the president’s demeanor in that report was characterized could not be more wrong.”

    Mr. Hur has been repeatedly vindicated during the intervening nine months. The interview transcripts, when they came out, bolstered his conclusions. If anything, the truth was worse than what Mr. Hur described.

    It’s now acknowledged almost universally that Mr. Biden should not have sought a second term, but the Democratic establishment denied the obvious and propped him up politically, even as evidence of his decline mounted. Prominent Democratic politicians changed their tune only after a disastrous debate performance in June made it impossible to conceal Mr. Biden’s frailty from the public any longer — and forced them to confront the possibility of electoral disaster in November.

    The credibility problems that Ms. Harris’s repeated defense of Mr. Biden’s sharpness illustrated were part of the reason Democrats met defeat.

    Make no mistake: As dissemblers go, President-elect Donald Trump has no equal, and his dishonesty is a continual disgrace. Even his strongest supporters acknowledge he exaggerates for effect and plays fast and loose with facts. But voters obviously see other qualities in him that offset his dishonesty, perhaps drawn from rosy recollections of living under the first Trump presidency.

    Democrats tried to make fidelity to science, facts and truth their distinguishing characteristic as a party. The White House’s aggressive coverup of Mr. Biden’s decline undermined that claim. Rep. Dean Phillips (D-Minnesota) was the only lawmaker willing to challenge Mr. Biden for the Democratic presidential nomination. He was ostracized and lost his spot in House leadership. Mr. Biden’s allies concocted terms such as “cheap fakes” to dismiss embarrassing video clips in which Mr. Biden appeared dazed, confused, tired and inaudible. Allies of the president frequently labeled content they didn’t approve of as “disinformation,” cheapening the term. When a few journalists reported accurately on Mr. Biden’s decline, the White House fed critical talking points about their stories to others in the media.

    The harder they spun, the less believable they became. White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said days after the June 27 debate that Mr. Biden was “as sharp as ever.” Eventually, Mr. Biden bowed to reality and stepped aside. But Ms. Harris struggled whenever she was asked to explain her defenses of Mr. Biden. On Oct. 22, NBC’s Hallie Jackson pressed Ms. Harris five times on this topic. The vice president dodged when asked whether she ever saw anything like what happened during the debate behind closed doors. “It’s a judgment question, that’s why I ask,” Ms. Jackson responded. “Can the American people trust you in these moments, even when it’s maybe uncomfortable?” Ms. Harris did not answer directly.

    To the bitter end, Mr. Biden’s team has covered for him. In the last week of the campaign, White House press staff altered the official transcript of a public appearance in which Mr. Biden described Trump supporters as “garbage.” The Associated Press reported that an apostrophe was added to the initial version prepared by the official White House stenographers so it would appear that he was referring only to a single supporter: the comedian who had joked that Puerto Rico is a “floating island of garbage.”

    All of this took a toll on believability. Polls showed more voters believed that Mr. Trump would actually implement his campaign promises than Ms. Harris would hers.

    This is not to say that Ms. Harris’s defense of Mr. Biden, or its effect on her credibility, was the decisive factor in this week’s election. Any accounting must include the fact that incumbent parties across the world are losing in a tough post-covid-19 political environment, along with the damage the Democratic Party’s leftward lurch, led by Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts), did to the Democratic label, particularly during the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries.

    But the record does highlight one of the things Democrats must do to resuscitate their brand: live up to their billing as truth-tellers.




     
  4. JangleJ33

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    Kind of like what you post huh?
     
  5. JangleJ33

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    Ahh you're one of those faggots.
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    Relax with the insults.
     
  7. Space Ghost

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    Harris is and always has been a loser. Biden got pissed at the Pelosi/Obama establishment and endorsed Harris because she is a loser. Biden got tired of playing #2 to DEI hires for the 3rd time.
     
  8. Space Ghost

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    Over 20 million previous Democrat voters said no to Harris.

    Imagine blowing a +3.3% lead and lose with -2.7% ... as the VP.

    Imagine voting for her. Thats even worse.
     
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  9. JangleJ33

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    **** you ******
     
  10. IBTL

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    They got some soul searching to do for the next election. I only pray we're not talking about a third Trump term then.
     
  11. IBTL

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    I voted for her. What jokes you got funny boy?
     
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    Unless there's some ghastly immortal stem cell treatment Elon and Peter Theil are cooking up, i doubt an 82 yr old Trump will be brighter than the stiff currently in office.
     
  13. Space Ghost

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    These are the women who voted harris to preserve abortion rights.

     
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    @Salvy
    Glad she’s ok and going to back on the d&d
     
  15. Astrodome

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    Kamala paid Oprah $1million to interview her. She wasted yall's money and ended up spending more than she raised.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    I think what went wrong was when the Washington Post didn't endorse her. If the Post had endorsed her the outcome would habe been dramatically different.
     
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  17. FranchiseBlade

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    That's f'n HI-LARIOUS. The best humor is when grown men to make fun of citizens who are likely to get picked on for most lives because of some purely physical characteristics. I'm glad the country won't be divided anymore.
     
  18. Tomstro

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    I actually agree that this was big. Good eye.
     
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  20. Space Ghost

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    Your party left you behind, FB. This ship isn't sinking. Its just drifting into oblivion. You don't have to vote for Trump or Republicans. Simply stop supporting losers who have no interest in you. This isn't the 1960's Democrats. Its the 1960's Republican party mentality running the ship now. 1960's judgmental Christian behavior criticizing, ostracizing everyone and telling them how they should live their life. Stop telling me I can't mock self-proclaimed social media influencers.

    This is all that is left. #MoveOn

     

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