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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. harold bingo

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    Maybe, but the problem is I think Udoka is a pretty good coach. He's just rigid in his thinking and style of play. He reminds me of Dantoni in that way, but like a reverse Dantoni. I don't think we're the caliber of team that can really attract a top tier coach, so unless we have some secret ace in the hole that we think can be a top 3 coach like Daigneault or something, I think Udoka is actually the best we can do at the moment. It's a tough spot.
     
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    Yes, if udoka is the best we can get that's a problem. Not only is he rigid in his thinking, he is also very old-school in player relationship. And he doesn't strike me as a coach who can make in-game adjustments. He seems to be good for this level, but not for competing in the playoffs.
     
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    I think he can actually do really well he just has to have the right roster because of his singular focus on playstyle. Look at Dantoni with the suns/rockets, those were both title contenders that legit would've won it all if it wasn't for some bad luck and injuries. A bunch of 60 win seasons and 1 seeds. But then look at him with the lakers and knicks? He only knows how to play his way, and he needs guys to play his way. If you give him guys to play his way, the results will be really good. I think Udoka is similar, I think if you give him guys that can play his way, the results will be really good. But if you give him guys that don't play his way, he doesn't really know what to do with them. That's how I see Sengun with Udoka.
     
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    I think you are too optimistic. He just lacks the creativity to make offenses work. Of course everybody can make it work with a perfect roster but what about one player is injured or you have to face a defense that you struggle against or playoff series where you need to adjust? He may of course look better with a different roster, still I think he has major defects to compete at the top level.

    With Dantoni, he knows how to run something that actually worked and not many people imagined of. That's creative, Udoka doesn't have that. He has one way of thinking and there is really nothing special or interesting about it.
     
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    Udoka had a huge advantage:
    He came to Houston after the worst coach ever.
    He's still nibbling away at that head start.
     
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    What was the point of throwing a near max at Al P just to be used like this? Plays sub par, gets bench. Plays good and help start the comeback in the third, still benched.
     
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    Yeah. Then he lets Fred play, and even lets Jalen play in overtime. Combined 2-23, but those guys get to play. But Alperen at 5-10, fighting for rebounds, getting offensive rebounds, putbacks, was leading the charge for the first half of the comeback...nope. Benched for the rest of the game. Just trade him.
     
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    If i were Sengun, i would start looking out for myself. It's clear that this does not work anymore with Rockets. In a nice trade, Rockets and Sengun can get what they want, it can be win-win.
     
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    We have an entire season of data in the opposite direction.

    Chill.
     
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    I think Dantoni is a bad example. He is a hell of a coach. Both the Lakers and Knicks had stars w/ huge egos that didn't buy in. Melo would have killed as small ball PF if he would have accepted that role. And for some reason, Dwight did not want to run rick and rolls with Nash.
     
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    MDA was hell of a great mind but he lacked Udoka's mean streak.......both cannot be more different.

    Melo never developed his playmaking, it is that one skill that would have covered for his lack of good Defense.

    You were right that rebounding and scoring would have made him a PF.

     
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    Yet another game where I'm scratching my head regarding this coaching staff. Alpi was playing decent defense and was hustling for rebounds. Shot is still a little off, but when we are struggling to make baskets, how about you put your big man in and let him go to work. o_O
     
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    Alpi 5-10 in 21 minutes
    Fred/Jalen 4-25 in combined 74 minutes
     
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    I would like to see that too.
     
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    Yeah the starting guard duo were trash tonight. The whole starting five lacked energy to begin the game and didn't respond to Golden States physical play so I understand him staying with the crew that got us back into the game during regulation.

    In the overtime however, when we again struggled to make a play, why not at least give Sengun a look. I mean you can't tell me any of the people that played the 5 tonight for Golden State can consistently stop Alpi. There must be something going on that we are not seeing.
     
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