Trading Framber could fill a few few holes for the Astros. I like Snell, but his injury history and inconsistency still makes him not worth the deal to me, but he would be electric when actually on the mound. I just hate to add another SP who is an injury risk, especially if trading away the surest guy on the staff to take the hill 25+ times.
Astros get: 1B/3B Yandy Diaz 1B/LF Brandon Lowe IF Emilian Pitre Rays get: SP Spencer Arrighetti IF/OF Shay Whitcomb C Victor Caratini CF Chas McCormick Astros get: 1B Nestor Miranda Tigers get: RP Ryan Pressly $2M Opening Day Roster: 2B Altuve RF Tucker DH Alvarez LF Lowe 1B Yandy Diaz C Yainer Diaz 3B Dezenzo SS Pena CF Meyers Bench: Dubon, Salazar, Trammell, Singleton Rotation: Framber, Brown, Blanco, Garcia, Heaney* Bullpen: Hader, Abreu, Neris*, Ort, Scott, Dubin, Whitley, Montero
I would look for another middle inf on the cheap and play Dubon in CF for 85-90 games and hope Melton will be ready by the all star break. I kinda like Hamilton as a 4th OF type until Melton is ready.
Yuk. Might as well run it back with Myers and McCormick in center if you are talking about Dubon for 80 games.
Reading so many trade Framber posts, and “we have pitching depth” The BIG issue with trading Framber is he has been as much of a workhorse as any pitcher in MLB. With the history of arm injury that we have, his value is way higher to us than most on here realize Every bad start brings out a ton of head case posts and so forth, and I know he isn’t overly popular on this site But the dude takes the ball and gives quality innings year after year. I never say never, but the list of players in order who I would say no way to trading are 1. Yordan 2. Altuve 3. Framber
I really like Framber. The problem is that this team has real holes and real budget issues preventing those holes from being filled by moderate to expensive free agents. One way or another Framber is gone in 12 months and the team will get a 4th rd pick for him turning down the Q.O. Same with Tucker. The difference is that if they trade Framber, they still have 7 or 8 potential starting pitchers. None of them throw as many quality innings as him, but they aren't complete negatives. If they trade Tucker they have no options - Pedro Leon? Jacob Melton? Move Shay Whitcomb to RF? and the lineup is worse than 2024. If they don't trade either then they get to add a couple of Alex Santos type prospects to the farm.
If they trade Framber the chances they make it through the regular season as a playoff team is pretty low in my opinion. He makes a good whipping boy for the forum when he has his crap outings, but dude is the anchor for our staff. If we trade Framber, we might as well trade Tucker also and try to flip the team as quickly as possible This is not the way I would want them to go, in my opinion we are a couple of solid (not star level) bats away from being as good as any team in the AL
I think Framber helps this team greatly in the regular season. However if you look at the big picture, there has to be more than the 2025 on field results to consider. 1) the chances are basically zero that Framber resigns and this team is going to be TERRIBLE in 2027 forward if it keeps letting stars walk away getting nothing but the comp pick for him. Alex Santos is who this team got for Cole, and that was a better pick because they were under the CBT. 2) This team has serious holes among the 9 starting position players and are right up against the CBT with little to no money to fill those holes. 3) With Brown, Blanco, Arrighetti, Garcia, France, McCullers, and Gusto on the roster, Javier due back by the deadline, and Gordon and Blubaugh ready to take a shot, at least they can fill a rotation even without Framber. Filling 3b, 1b, LF, and/or CF is more important for the success of 2025 than keeping Framber, and it's much much more important for 2026+ If someone must go, it should be Framber. If not great but still not ideal.
Can't trade Framber. Second year of Spencer . . . other teams are gonna have a book on him. Same with Blanco. Garcia, France, LMJR, Javier . . . maybe they are fixed, but until they get through a build up - they are all still broken. Gusto, BluB, and Gordon . . . um, not yet. That leaves you Brown. Can't trade Framber. If there was a lesson from last year, you need to add to this staff this offseason. Certainly not take away the anchor. Deadline trade if we suck . . . sure.
Agreed that the majority of the Astros Rotation comes with risk and Framber is by far the surest option to give 150+ quality innings/25+ good starts in 2025. But the decision about whether or not to trade Framber is not entirely about 2025. Don't trade: Most likely best for 2025. WITHOUT QUESTION worse for 2026-2031 Trade: Most likely worse in 2025. Have more money to improve 2025. MOST LIKELY better in 2026-2031 depending on the return. If you want to throw all your chips in for 2025 and have an 80% terrible roster, wasting Yordan's prime after that, then keep Framber. Remember 2006-2011 where aging veterans and a bunch of sub par players resulted in 6 consecutive mediocre seasons, requiring the most extreme rebuild in the history of MLB?
Who are you trading Framber for that is going to result in a substantially better roster from 2026-2031? "Depending on the return" goes without saying, but predicting actual performance of prospects is difficult for the best scouts. Even the best are hit or miss. Framber is a known (and very good) commodity.
But Framber is gone after 2025 anyway. Unless the prospects the Astros receive in a trade all completely flop, anything would be an improvement. You are basically hoping you hit the flop, turn, or river which can't happen if you fold. But Dana would choose the hole cards.
Are you sure he's gone? Or just in this scenario you are presuming? I don't know how you are that sure, a year out. Even if he leaves, the team gets a comp pick. The question is, whether the prospect(s) you get for Framber are better than 1 year of what Framber provides you in 2025 + what the comp pick provides down the line, is better than what prospect X provides in trade down the line. Plus a down year means reduced fan support in 2025 which means less revenue which is certainly a factor in the team's ability to stay competitive down the road.
Nobody but Framber can be sure, but I would be surprised if he's back. I think the chances are less than 20%
