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Do the Rockets have a Fred Van Vleet problem?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HealthyHamstring, Oct 31, 2024.

  1. peleincubus

    peleincubus Member

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    Reed Sheppard will be in the rockets for the next decade. Deal with it.
     
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  2. roslolian

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    You deal with RS getting 4 mins a game and kiss my ass.

    I dont have anything against the kid but I dont like scrubs getting PT and costing us games. When he is ready I'll be one of the first guys to cheer for him but RN he sucks ass and thats just a fact.
     
  3. peleincubus

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    Type until your hands are numb. Just make sure you enjoy Reed on the Rockets for the next decade. He is going to have a ton of big moments as well.
     
  4. roslolian

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    How you gonna enjoy him when he jsnt even playing?
     
  5. cbass

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    You very obviously do have something against him and it’s frankly weird.

    You’re usually a good poster, but your vendetta against Reed is hurting your credibility. You literally didn’t even given him a month before you wrote him off.

    He’s a 20-yr-old rookie and you’re declaring him a scrub. Again, you’re acting like Bobby
     
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  6. roslolian

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    Nah the difference is I'm saying he can improve in the future. Booby has always maintained JG will be a bust since day 1. I'm not even calling RS a bust a lot of things can happen in 4 yrs. He can still end ip the best players on the class like what the GMs said. What I dont like people glorifying RS because right now he sucks ass and needs to be put in GLeague.

    The past 3 yrs we were tanking so I had no issue with JG stinking on the court but RN we are trying to win. Cant have scrubs on the court costing us games. When Reed Sheppard is good enough to see PT then I would be the first to cheer for him when he bas a good game.
     
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    I was under that same impression but now, after looking at the $$$ I just don't know. It really has me second guessing the timing of extending Greengoon a year early.

    IF they decline the option, I don't know how they replace him because they are still over the cap (with cap holds and two incomplete roster charges) and only 10 players under contract.

    They could decline the option and relinquish the rights to all those cap holds: Adams, Tate, Green, Dante, McVeigh, & Williams: to get about $11m below the cap but what does that buy you?
    Honestly the only one of those I'd be interested in keeping is Adams assuming he plays well this season but keeping him at eats away at that $11m in cap space dollar for dollar. He's at $12.6m this season and a similar contract next puts the team above the cap by $1.5m when you decline FVV.

    If you keep FVV on the current contract, it puts the team just $5.6m shy of the 1st apron (including cap holds and incomplete roster charges) and only $17.5m shy of the 2nd apron. Declining Tate & Uncle Jeff can create ~$27m additional space there but you still have to replace them with X and being over the cap are limited to exceptions and minimums to do so.

    There seems to be Three options -

    One has been mentioned here numerous times and that's declining the option year and negotiating a lower yearly figure for more years. How likely is this? I just don't know .... I can't get in the mind of FVV to answer it .... and ultimately it might end up being a toxic contract.
    I think this option really limits the team going forward - being stuck with FVV even at something around $25m per hamstrings your spending - Makes it very difficult to upgrade the PG spot.

    Option two - opt in and trade FVV in the offseason .... Who? I'd definitely be open to this one depending on who the target it and what else has to be thrown in .... But who really wants a 32 year old FVV at ~$45m on their books for a full season?

    Option three - move FVV for an upgrade at the trade deadline this year ... again, who and what else?

    There's also the possibility of a move involving other players (Brooks &X?) to break up the logjam at the 3 spot and free up some $$ at the same time - unless of course that's the trade for a star ....


    The $$$ seems extremely tight to me no matter what they do.
     
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  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Are you really dumb enough to not see the difference between me criticizing the poor performance of a player that is actually performing poorly and this knuckle dragger bashing Reed Sheppard for not being given playing time despite playing decently?


    I mean, it's okay to say yes if that's the case, but it would be really embarrassing for you.
     
  9. cbass

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    You called Jalen a bust before he ever played a minute for the Rockets, homie.

    You are pathologically incapable of engaging in good faith.
     
  10. Joe Joe

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    If the Rockets can keep up the offensive rebounding, the Rockets are going to go on a big winning streak when FVV and most of the Rockets start making shots at their normal rate (Green and Tari only ones really making shots at or above expectation).
     
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    I agree his minutes need to be reduced, but disagree on who needs to get those minutes. The Rockets looked fantastic last night with Amen running point and he's just such a monster on defense. He's a difference maker. I am super excited about Reed, but I'm not sure he's ready for that just yet.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Literally false.

    What i said was that he had a very high chance of being a bust because he couldn't shoot a basketball.

    Now are you going to continue lying in an effort to push your false narrative, or are you going to operate in good faith?
     
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    FVV looks out of shape honestly, reminds me of CP3's 2019 season. I wonder if Ime is playing him so many minutes to try to get him in shape.
     
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    The Rockets have a perimeter shooting problem.

    Teams can collapse and play off when a team cannot shoot.
     
  15. peleincubus

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    Again you will have an entire decade to watch the guy. Enjoy and appreciate that privilege.
     
  16. roslolian

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    I hope you're right.
     
  17. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    Green's extension didn't really impact matters. The difference between his extension figure and cap hold is nominal. Sengun's extension is really what impacted our ability to have cap space next summer.

    One tool we have is the non-taxpayer mid-level exception. This is the best exception. We can use it to sign a FA for up to around 4 yrs / 60 mil. That could attract a really nice FA.

    If we opt out of FVV's contract, I would (1) extend Adams, then (2) use this exception to sign a quality rotational piece.
     
  18. meh

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    You're not accounting for potential MLE signing here. Current Rockets core 7 youngsters + Brooks is $130mil. Next year's 1st round pick assuming it doesn't jump into the top 4 will be around $3~4mil, Adding next year's MLE probably adds another $14mil. And of course there's some end of roster salaries to add in. But you do need some flexibility under the tax for potential big trades. I think the Rockets do want to keep FVV assuming he's still good enough as a rotation piece, but I would say the limit is something like $25mil/yr on a one year contract. After all, Jabari and Tari both look to be getting huge raises in 2026 and both look like locks to be extended for some amount, even if not in the Sengun/Jalen territory. So I don't think FVV gets multi-year deal here.

    If I were to guess, I think FVV leaves this offseason for a full MLE contract from a contending team who don't care about the length of contract.
     
  19. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    I'd also extend Adams if at all possible. I'm guess he'd command around 10 mil a year, but that's pure speculation.
     
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    Who can we trade Fred for?
     

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