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The 2024 Presidential Election

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. Nook

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    If Harris wins GA or Carolina - the election is over.

    If Trump wins Michigan or Wisconsin - the election is over

    The polling in these states are close enough that any trend, ever so slight likely carries over into bordering states.
     
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  2. Nook

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    I'll make sure to let Tampon Tim Walz, the child pedophile and Kamala the r****ded jezebel Anti Christ Harris know your views on unity....
     
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    I'm buying the handle of Tito's for next Tuesday.
     
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  4. Nook

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    Donald Trump called the US a garbage can for the world...... so if it is any consolation - you apparently are in the right country.
     
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  5. Nook

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    Don't forget the ambien and a pack of Marlboro reds --- then you will have the Kamala starter pack and will be able to get through the night before the inevitable protests or riots happen.
     
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  6. Kemahkeith

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    Sadly, my wife still smokes Marlboro Reds.
    Her body her choice.
     
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    If the map comes down to NC, GA, WI, and MI, then Trump only needs to win one of those, meanwhile Harris has to sweep. Based on polling and early voting turnout compared to prior years, that isn't looking likely.
     
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    It isn't likely to work that way - the margins are so small that the polling models even being 2% off will have a cascading effect with which ever candidate that was under-estimated sweeping or coming close to sweeping all of the toss up states.

    Also, early voting turnout doesn't necessarily mean much - because in 2020 we had COVID which had a great impact on when and how people voted. It also has been 4 years - patterns change in that time. It could turn out that Democratic turnout is low and enthusiasm is low and that it reflected in the early turnout numbers. It is also just as likely that it has been 4 years, that Republicans are more trusting of mail in voting than in the past, there isn't a pandemic and Democrats were more concerned of COVID than Republicans - and so Democrats will not show up at the voting booth.

    This isn't like some other elections where the winner is clear, and the only question is the margin or the Electoral Vote count - this is a very close election and there are a lot of pollsters that admit that because of that - it is hard to know who will win.
     
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    Mine went to medical school - knows every risk - and still smokes as well.
     
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    This election is a toss up.

    I just conducted a national poll by only asking myself and concluded that Kamala will win just don't look at the cross tabs. This is the kinda of games being played by the Rs right now. The Rs paid for a set of polls that unsurprisingly say that Trump is gaining momentum and will win a landslide.

    FWIW high quality polls have not shown much of a change over the last month or so. Kamala is ahead but NOT outside of the margin of error.

    Early voting turnout had Hillary winning, so I suggest that you lean extra hard into that.
     
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    I no longer put any trust in polls.
    They all seem to be right or left leaning and have been proven wrong over the last two elections.

    This might be my dumbest question I have ever asked on this board but here goes.
    Does the 4-hour time difference 3 in Mountain time zone have any effect on the election.
    I only ask this because if many wait until later in the day out west to vote, they should have a touch of how the election is already playing out.
    I suspect not but wanted to ask anyway.
     
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    You should try LALO tequila if they have it up there.
     
  14. Kemahkeith

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    I don't do Te-Kill-Ya anymore, or Gin, they are the work of the devil.

    A nice Tito's and a sour apple Gatorade Zero, with some indica will get me into that election results state of mind.
     
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    They've been proven wrong the last two elections by underestimating Trump each time. Let's not forget he added millions of voters in 2020 compared to 2016, and there is nothing to suggest he has lost any of them. Kamala has not kept all of Biden's supporters. Many of them went to Trump. I personally think it's over and have thought that for almost 2 months now because of these reasons.
     
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    Honestly man, I have watched that clip many times. With no spin, it seems to me he said and meant that the “garbage” is “his supporters” and “his demonization”. Which I would take to mean both things are “garbage”.

    I do get that this can be interpreted as “his supporter’s … demonization”, meaning the demonization is the garbage, not the supporters. Especially with Biden’s halting manner of speech. That is not at all an illegitimate reading.

    But I think the former is the literal and most objective reading of the words, and the latter is the more charitable and less intuitive. And this is coming from someone who is a big fan of what Biden has accomplished in his 3.5 years for this country.

    IMO, the winning approach is to all a spade a spade. Biden f-ucked up. This isn’t someone misquoting him or twisting his words in some re-tweet. If there is some ambiguity, he created it by saying something stupid or inartfully. Presidents must do better.

    Trumpers would say um, I didn’t hear those comments, but that’s just the media twisting things and getting bogged down in trivia (a la JD Vance regarding the MSG island of garbage comment). To win independents and swayable republicans, Kamala and company need to do what they did - say it is not acceptable and that I would never say anything like that. Don’t justify or hide from it. That is the intellectually honest approach, best approach and winning approach (if a win is possible).

    Around the world, commodore, space ghost and every other Trumper in here has tried to minimize, distract, deny, obfuscate every time Trump or Vance says something like this.
     
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    This could be totally out of context for this thread but Bill Clinton is the best communicator of all the politicians in my life time. Listening to a speech in Muskegon heights. Its simple words making a lot of sense.

    He slowed down a bit in terms of delivery but the way he connects every word and sentence of his is amazing!!
     
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    I thought Obama was possibly even better.
     
  19. AB

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    Obama may sound eloquent but I have to fish the message out of what he says.

    In today speech, Bill touched inflation issues and Israel conflict, the most complicated ones in current times and he is keeping it as simple and clear. As a common man, it is making sense to me how he says it
    Link to the speech that is going on. I was just youtube scrolling and got stuck here for last 35 mins. longest of my attention span these day :)
     
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  20. adoo

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    not according to this poll data analyst; this was before the Trump racist rally in PA, even assuming that Harris will lose the Great Lake battleground states


    it's neck-to-neck in the battleground states, as well as AZ and NV; the racist rally may sway Latino votes there, enough to a Trump defeat in these state
     

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