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Voter Fraud Thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Astrodome, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. Reeko

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    the GOP is basically a criminal enterprise atp…part of me now wishes I became a lawyer just so I could take on these cases…if there was no max sentencing to limit me the years I’d be handing these mindless drones would be the 1st 3 digits of their social security
     
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  2. Reeko

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    they’ve been handling these rats with kid gloves post-Jan 6th and you’ll still see them out here crying about treated unfairly
     
  3. Xerobull

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    Watched this again because someone liked my previous response.

    Ever notice these Karen types always have an ineffectual dullard dude as an accessory? They want a beta male they can boss around but when they need a man to pivot on the spot and be a strong partner who may be able to help in high-stress situations, they're screwed.
     
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    One does not simply put on his robe and boot his HP CPU.
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    Here's my personal anecdote on voter supression/integrity. My daughter is out-of-state for college and applied for a mail-in ballot. No response was forthcoming from Harris County, so she called last week. They said they never received her application and she would have to apply to email. When you do that, you have to deliver the physical original to them in 4 business days.

    She was nervous that the USPS would fail her a second time, so she asked me to walk it in, which I did this morning. They wouldn't take it. For one, only the voter herself can walk it in -- which doesn't make any sense, considering that the whole point of mail-in voting in Texas is that you can't just 'go in.' For two, they require a wet signature, and I had a copy instead of the original. These measures make some sense in making sure the voter applying is a real voter. But, this is not even the vote, it's just an application to get a ballot, which will then have to be filled out and submitted, also with rules around submission to ensure integrity. All they've managed to do here is, because of a failure of USPS, deny a citizen her right to vote (she is mailing in her application as well and -- who knows -- maybe it shows up this time and she's not denied).

    The clerk also said something interesting when I talked to her. I mentioned that the application was mailed in plenty of time but never received. And she said (mostly to herself)_that that seemed to be happening a lot this year. Now, I don't have a conspiratorial mind, so I won't say USPS is conspiring with Abbott. More likely, incompetence at the Harris County Clerk's office is resulting in misplaced applications.

    The final fault I've found is that I tried to google for statistics about who votes by mail. Texas requires that you either (a) are over 65 (old people), (b) are not in your county during election season (young people -- college students and military), (c) disabled, (d) about to give birth, or (e) in jail but you still have your voting right. So, there should be statistics on how many people apply from each of those 5 categories. But, there is nothing published (if someone has a link, hit me up). You can't manage what you don't measure. I'm sure Republican legislators were looking at those statistics when they passed SB1, but what about the rest of us.

    The vote-by-mail system in Texas can and should be easier to use, while Republicans are instead trying to make it harder. Right now, we require 3 touches to vote this way -- (1) register to vote, (2) apply for a mail-in ballot (for each election!), and then (3) send in your ballot. And this is all done by mail and with wet signatures like we're living in the 19th century. Whether we are more concerned about ballot access or election integrity, both goals can be more meaningfully advanced by modernizing the election infrastructure and using the freaking internet. Have a secure internet portal with a secure login. Manage your registration, upload documents proving your citizenship and residency, apply for a mail-in ballot. Why don't we already have this?
     
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  6. Xopher

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    Look at the numbers on which party does more mail in voting in Texas and you will have your answer. A study has shown both parties have their mail in ballots rejected at approximately the same rate, 12%, but one party uses more mail in ballots.
     
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    Can anyone give one valid reason why the leftists are suing against this, if they don't want to cheat?
     
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    A northern Minnesota woman who signed her late mother’s signature on two absentee ballots faces three felony charges for illegal voting in Itasca County, according to court documents.

    Danielle Christine Miller, 50, told authorities that her mother, who died in August, was an “avid Donald Trump supporter” who wanted to vote for him in the 2024 presidential election — but she died before she received her ballot in the mail. Miller, of Nashwauk, Minn., faces two charges of submitting intentionally false certificates and another for casting an illegal vote or aiding another.

    Her first appearance is via Zoom Dec. 4 in Itasca County Court, based in Grand Rapids.

    According to the complaint, the ballots were still sealed when they were flagged by the Itasca County auditor because one envelope had the signature of Rose Marie Javorina, who had died. An officer from the sheriff’s department who reviewed the ballots found that Javorina’s name was signed on the witness section for Miller’s ballot; Miller was listed as the witness for Javorina. The signatures, according to the lieutenant who reviewed them, were similar and done in the same ink.

    Miller admitted she had filled out her mother’s ballot and signed her name on the signature envelope, in addition to signing her mother’s name as a witness to her own ballot.

    Absentee ballots were mailed to residents of Itasca County on Sept. 20. Javorina died Aug. 31, according to court documents.
     
  9. Andre0087

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    I just can't fathom going to prison for illegally voting for Donald Trump and the county DA should offer no plea deals. If she's found guilty let her do the time.
     
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    Ehh, we seemed to have caught and invalidated the fraudulent vote with ease using routine screening. It was a single vote, not some kind of ballot farm. It's a woman grieving her mother. It deserves some punishment but not nearly so much as Republicans would have fraudulent voters face. Community service or a fine and let's move on. Doesn't deserve any jail time.
     
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    Because it be voter intimidation.
     
  12. Nook

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    I don't know enough about it - but I suspect that there is more to this - because with social media there is always more to it.

    Define drop box surveillance.... is it a private citizen or an organization surveilling people using a drop box? If that is the case I would have a real problem with it - it is harassment and can discourage voting.

    I know that in a lot of places - the city actually already has surveillance and the way it works is that they keep the footage for a period of time before destroying it. That is SOP in a lot of local governments.
     
  13. Andre0087

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    I grieved when my parent's died but when I came down to business for instance handling their estates it never dawned on me to commit fraud because I was in mourning. Tough sentences are how you kill this type of thing in its crib.
     
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  14. Reeko

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    yup…she deserves the harshest penalty

    enough with these people
     
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  15. JuanValdez

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    Why do we need to kill this kind of thing? Routine systems to ensure voter integrity caught the invalid vote. It had no effect. She's not a hardened criminal. If someone had mentioned to her, 'oh you know they check voter records against death records' that would probably been enough to deter her. Handing out penalties that are all out of proportion with the gravity of the crime won't get you extra deterrence. You get deterrence by people feeling certain they would be caught.

    You're on a police state tear today.
     
  16. B-Bob

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    In un-ringing a bell news, people need to keep this in mind: hard to unwind a police state, LOL.
     
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  17. Andre0087

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    Kill voter fraud of course not the means to prevent it. Seems one side is more emboldened to do what they claim the other side is doing. Could you imagine if this was a Democrat voting for her "deranged" deceased mother who was an avid Biden supporter in a red state? Come on now...
     
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  18. Reeko

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    anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows forging someone’s signature is fraud, and she did it intentionally

    throw the book at her
     
  19. rockbox

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    I've come to the conclusion that anything Trump and his team accuse others of doing, he has done himself. He's just not that original.
     
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    Venezuela "monitors drop boxes" with big dudes who "monitor" you into switching your vote to Maduro, and promise they'll confirm your ID and "monitor" you later at home if you don't vote the way they want.
     
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