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Trump supporters are primarily racists.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Oct 19, 2024.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    KKK was founded by Democrats.
     
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    I agree something just don't have to be seen as racist or a political act.
     
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    Yes, that is the point. Those are all direct Donald Trump quotes.
     
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  4. Xopher

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    Comedy is about punching at EVERYONE including your own. However, if you are just punching at others, that is racist.
     
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  5. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yes, and then translated into German and put to a spooky soundtrack to try to convince people Trump is connected to Hitler. If the words alone were enough to scare people, they wouldn't need the score and the translation. That's my point, clearly the ad makers didn't think just having Trump say those things in English without a score would be effective at convincing people he needs to be stopped.
     
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    Yes, because other than that spooky ad, any parallels are superficial and there's no supporting evidence that Trump & the RePubs love them some Hitler, wants to be a dictator, set up concentration camps, and is willing to overthrow the government to set up this percieved white nationalist paradise, right?
     
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    The ones who set up camps during Covid were the socialists. It's always the socialists who set up camps. National socialists, Pol Pot, CCP, etc.
     
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    You really need to read Payne, Paxton, Broszat, etc. and educate yourself. The Nazis were not socialists.
     
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    The swastika incorporated as the national flag was established by the Nazi Party formally in 1935. Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system.

    (assist)
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    national SOCIALISTS
     
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    People's DEMOCRATIC Republic of Korea
     
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  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Correct, there is no supporting evidence that Trump loves Hitler, wants to be a dictator, set up concentration camps, or is willing to overthrow the government to set up a perceived (perceived by whom?) white nationalist paradise. Did you forget that 2017-2021 happened? Did it slip Trump's mind to do any fascism while he was President? No monuments to Hitler. No dictatorship. No concentration camps. No white nationalist paradise. Just regular old America.
     
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    Denial is more than just a long river in Egypt.
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Yeah anyway, as you well know Trump - did all of these things and continues to do them and none of it is even in dispute.

    I have a feeling that the piece of @StupidMoniker who reacted like this on January 6, when Trump entered the final phase of his first failed attempt to overthrow the government:

    It is wrong that people assaulted the Capitol Police. That isn't who we are (as Americans). January 6 was insane.​

    Would be not as cool with at the Hitler rally yesterday and in general the overt fascism of Trump 2024. Again, not in dispute

    But that guy's gone (it took like 3 months lol), instead there's a dead eyed gaslight ghoul from the bargain bin who shrieks "but I'm a libertarian" when you pull the string, still hopefully finding a few middle aged fops who can engage in some light cuckery.

    I ain't doing it.

    **** Hitler, **** Trump, **** Nazis, **** MAGA.
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Nope it is still wrong that people assaulted the Capitol police. It is always wrong to riot and attack police officers. It just wasn't an insurrection or a coup. As I said at the time. The rally was not a Hitler rally, and the "overt fascism" is nothing of the sort. Trump's policies are largely not my policies, but they aren't Mussolini's policies either. We have seen a Trump presidency, it involved him proposing largely similar things to what he is proposing now, and it was all pretty normal. I don't think it will happen, but getting rid of the income tax would be amazing, that is certainly one thing I agree with him on. Stores going back to stopping thieves as well.
     
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    John Kelly confirmed multiple times that Trump wanted generals to be like Hitler’s generals.

    Many in Trump’s own administration confirmed that they blocked Trump’s attempts to undermine the independence of the DOJ and that he has no understanding or appreciation of the Constitution.

    I agree they Trump wasn’t like Hitler nor will he be that. I’ve said he is more like Erdogan and Modi. That said it wasn’t like regular old America. I experienced it first hand when elderly relatives of mine were suddenly not allowed to visit the US in 2017 because they were somehow threats to national security. I saw it again when my city was tearing itself apart over riots and the President instead of trying to lower the temperature was inflaming things. I saw it when during the natural disasters including an unprecedented pandemic the President instead of working with state and local officials blamed them and undermined them.

    All of that is on top of things like overcharging the secret service to protect him, changing military deployments to benefit his business, and making foreign policy decisions that benefited him and his family’s business.

    In no time in US history have we had the combination of outright corruption, incompetence and divisiveness in a Presidency as we had with Trump.
     
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  19. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    (a) That's genuinely encouraging (and not totally surprising) to hear. Cheers.
    (b) Well, ehhhh, adjusting for very different worlds and countries is hard but I offer to you for consideration: (i) Mussolini defined fascism (a positive concept for him at least) as corporatism. Turn over functions of government to big industries and/or the leaders of big industries. That's Trumpian, especially in terms of his cabinet appointments and proposed new cabinet appointments. (ii) Mussolini liked to vilify immigrants. Ahem. (iii) Mussolini loved military pomp and circumstance and other "strong men." Double ahem.

    I will stick to my guns that Hitler is a terrible comparison for DJT, but Il Duce? Well, that's in the right ballpark. Analogies to 80+ year old bits of history are only going to be so useful. I am extremely confident that DJT will not end up like Mussolini at the very end.

    The historical trends overall are more important. People with authoritarian tendencies follow a common playbook, and DJT and his enablers are, unfortunately, checking a lot of the boxes. Maybe it's just for a few extra votes, but at some point, we have to take them seriously.
     

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