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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. fchowd0311

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    I'll give it two more weeks but if Green can limit his turnovers like he has he first few games and maintain the down hill pressure, it might be time to just make Green the primary ball handler in the starting line up. At that point it might make more sense to move Cam up to a starting 2 to give Green an explosive running mate to pair in the backcourt and Fred can be the steady floor general for the back up unit or he can come in immediately if Ime feels as if trj offense is getting out of control and not getting organized.

    But I'm not ready to do that now. I have to see if Green can maintain limiting turnovers for a sustained period.


    Fred being the primary ball handler removes a lot of the dynamicness and athleticism this roster has.

    There is just so much more you can do with a two man game between Sengun and Green than Sengun and Fred as Fred is so limited once he tries to attack the rim and defenses know this.
     
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  2. Dobbizzle

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    I genuinely don't even think it's a "meritocracy" thing. I think it's been made clear that Alpi's Ime's focal point because of all of last season and he's actively not taking over because he's trying to follow his coach's "plan" even though it's not a great one. As soon as Jalen's put at the top of the heirarchy (last night with a benched Alpi, or last season when he was injured) he seems to assert himself more and get to cooking. I think we also have to take into account that him and Alpi are clearly good friends, you could see it when Jalen was struggling last year and Alpi was the guy with his arm around him giving him that support. That's his guy right there, if coach says it's Alpi's team he doesn't seem to be the ego to force the issue (which I can admit, might be seen as somewhat of a problem.) It's why I said earlier in the thread "it might be time to try running Jalen as the Batman and Alpi as the Robin, just to see what happens." I don't think Jalen's the type of personality to try and just force the issue, I think he'll try and do it more when he has the open runway to take off without necessarily going against the coach or actively trying to take away from his homie's shine.
     
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  3. kpdark

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    Hope that's not real lol. Still funny.

    But it's something I'm not sure Green should say knowing that he has had his fair share of bad decisions and bricks in his career lol.
     
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    And this is why a lot of people didn't want KPJ around Jalen. Imprinting this disgusting attitude on him.
     
  7. Reeko

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    that “insider” thing is cap, but Jabari had no business taking those shots…bonehead move
     
  8. Dobbizzle

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    I could almost let the first one slide, but then he ran up and bricked the second one and my mind imploded with the idiocy. Mu****er thought it was his moment to shine, after he just ruined his moment to shine lol.
     
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    You are aware it's satire right?
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    It's literally a joke in reference to LeBron saying something along those lines last night.
     
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    I liked the first one a lot. I think he needs to take that shot, that's the main reason he's here, to take catch and shoot 3s, especially when he's open. He was wide open, and Jalen is the one that passed it to him. I'd actually be mad if he didn't take it. The second one though...no thanks. Pass that out. You had your chance and you blew it.
     
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    Jalen never should’ve passed that dude the ball to begin with, and Jabari should’ve had the awareness to get it back to our main guy…and we all knew Jabari wasn’t gonna hit that 1st shot, nobody here believed in it

    it would be like if Ariza took the clutch shot instead of Harden when Harden was cooking and Ariza had been playing like trash…Y’all would really be happy with and like that shot from Ariza?
     
  13. Dobbizzle

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    I must admit, I was still swept up in the excitement of Jalen going super saiyan that I half believed it. It went kind like "ooo...****...no! ****KKKK" for me haha. For like a second though I was like "basketball god got my back right now!"
     
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    That has to be a joke, right?

    Because Jalen is not a leader of men and his 53.8TS% isn't all that great.

    He was one of the reasons we came back though.

    DD
     
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    1. 53.8 TS% is actually better than the team's average of TS 51.8%.
    2. He maintained the same efficiency (albeit still low), but increased his scoring output drastically to 26 points per game. Any jump in scoring without impact on efficiency is a major positive improvement.
    3. The 2nd and 3rd highest scorers on the Rockets right now is FVV and Sengun, both at 16 points, and both at only TS 54.2% and TS 47.8%.
    Not exactly sure what this strange left field "leader of men" comment infers to, and not exactly sure how it's relevant at all to Green. However, based on context, this seems like a thinly-veiled attempt at implying KPJ is a "leader of men" whereas Green is not. I certainly hope this is not implying that domestic violence and women beating is what makes KPJ a "leader of men".
     
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    I probably shouldn't get involved with this conversation and it's combatants .... but it's high time to debunk this bullshiit narrative that Sengun clogs the paint.

    They may run a handful of possessions a game where Sengun establishes post position and is fed the ball on :in the post".

    The vast majority of possessions, Sengun is out top of the key setting screens in DHO and PNR sets.

    Sengun isn't the one clogging the paint. It's how teams defend the pair that clog the paint and that's a function of their strengths and weaknesses overlapping - both excel finishing near the rim at about a 70% rate while neither shoot particularly well from distance and even at league average, the math heavily favors drop coverage.

    Here's the math per possession just so people can see it.


    Jalen shooting currently 36.4% from distance which was right at league average last year (.367) league wide.

    Both had a .690 conversion rate at the rim (0-3ft) last year.

    .364x3 is 1.092 ppp or 109.2 per 100

    .690x2 is 1.38 ppp or 138 per 100

    Even if they both shoot 45% from distance, the math favors the 2 point shot per possession.

    .45x3 is .135 ppp or 135 per 100


    Now realize that these figures don't take into account fouls and free throws that occur much more frequently at the rim - those factors significantly increase the advantage to the shot at the rim .... It works out to an added .3 and .8 ppp depending upon the player - even at the low end of that spectrum, it makes the 2 point shot at the rim 65% more effective than the 3 ball, and that doesn't account for foul troubles as a result.

    There's a reason the pick and roll has been in use for over a hundred years ....

    Understanding this - is there any wonder that teams play drop coverage - especially in the regular season. It's only at the end of games or in the playoffs when each possession becomes critical to winning or advancing that teams vary from this path.

    The other issue, particularly with Sengun is that there is no variable. He's going to roll to the basket out of those sets. There is little to no threat of him slipping the pick or a pick and pop instead of a roll.

    This further influences the defender's choice to go under picks and play drop coverage.


    Aside from actually using the pick properly (Jalen has a tendency to drift back rather than use the pick laterally, making it easier for the defender to challenge his shot), this offense could really use more off the ball movement / picks / cuts and back door action to relieve some of the stress of that drop coverage.
    That does require a ball handler capable of making advanced reads .... not just pocket pass or rim run.
     
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    It's literally a meme somebody made up based on what Lebron said. This just tells you your entire theory is BS.
     
  18. Dobbizzle

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    You're dead right, I spent a lot of posts a few pages back discussing these very issues. The angles and the timing are all wrong whenever we run the action, it's ridiculous that Ime hasn't corrected it yet. Similarly, as you say that pocket pass isn't even being done because of a "read" at all, it's arbitrary, it's always early and no advantage is created before either Fred or Jalen throw it straight to Alpi before any defender's been drawn anywhere or had to make a decision. All Alpi's man ever has to do on our PnR is step back a couple of feet and he's covered both of the badly run, predictable ways we try and use it.
     
  19. Easy

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    Good post.

    Sengun doesn't clog the paint. The lack of good outside shooting clogs the paint.
     
  20. daywalker02

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    The clogging the paint argument is old and archaic.......they do not realize that defenders clog the paint the most.

    (In FIBA there is the most Clogging the paint with no Defensive 3 sec)

    And because of the Offensive 3 Seconds, there is no real clogging the paint.

    Alpe is a mobile player that will keep on moving, there is no clogging whatever space......

    Udoka stated that Sengün's Defense was not up to speed and that is why he was benched.

    Players are gassed in B2Bs, that happens, it should not infuriate fans, they are not robots.

     
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