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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. basso

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  2. dmoneybangbang

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    That's true, the Obama Admin was too soft on Putin when he invaded Crimea in 2014. But post 2016, it's been MAGA/GOP too soft.
     
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    Zelensky now ready for a ceasefire... GOOD. Stop the suffering in this part of the world and stop wasting US dollars on problems abroad when we have urgent needs for our own American citizens.

    Trump's rise in the polling almost assuredly contributed to this change of stance by Zelensky.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Polling...lol.....Trump is done.

    DD
     
  6. dobro1229

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    I mean he's not wrong that they messed up in not taking Putin seriously in 2014, but there was a big shift that happened in Putin becoming a dictator after that point that most wouldn't have seen coming. Putin pre 2014 was substantially a different person at least from the outside and his actions.

    But Obama was a change candidate and Biden really represented more of a mainstream or moderate Democrat in terms of foreign policy. Obama looked at the post Cold War era and our relationship with Russia, and decided that we needed to change things up. EXACTLY what you probably love about Trump, but with more patriotism & intellectual honesty than Trump who obviously only cares about himself & his obsession with himself being as corrupt and above the law as Putin is.

    Biden and Obama have different views.... that's probably a good thing about their relationship that they come at these challenges from different angles. Obama was right to push on the norms, but in hindsight I don't think anyone thinks it worked out to give Putin a chance to prove he could be a normal western ally.

    Only question that matters now is who has the better policy moving forward. Do we allow Putin to overtake Ukraine, and put him in position to threaten Poland, and Latvia next, or do we learn from how Putin reacts to carrots and sticks, and work to come up with real solutions to have a less threatening relationship with Russia and our adversaries moving forward?
     
  7. leroy

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    This, unsurprisingly, is a lie. There is no movement towards or even thoughts of a ceasefire.
     
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  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It's too bad he never became president of the United States because Russia invaded Ukraine?

    Random ass tweets from random ass people with random ass thoughts to back your positions?

    Why?
     
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  9. DaDakota

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    SHOCKER a republican lied...

    Most educated people are democrats, the ones that are educated and Republicans by and large were picked on and had very few friends.....ala Stephen Miller.

    They are just angry at the world.....because of their shortcomings as alphas.

    ;)

    DD
     
  10. Andre0087

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    South Korean intelligence says North has sent troops to aid Russia’s war in Ukraine

    SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — South Korea’s spy agency said Friday that North Korea has dispatched troops to support Russia’s war against Ukraine. If confirmed, the move would bring a third country into the war and intensify a standoff between North Korea and the West.

    The South Korean announcement came a day after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said his government has intelligence that 10,000 troops from North Korea are being prepared to join Russian forces fighting against his country.

    The National Intelligence Service said in a statement that Russian navy ships transferred 1,500 North Korean special operation forces to the Russian port city of Vladivostok from Oct. 8 to Oct. 13. It said more North Korean troops are expected to be sent to Russia soon.

    The North Korean soldiers deployed in Russia have been given Russian military uniforms, weapons and forged identification documents, the NIS said. It said they are currently staying at military bases in Vladivostok and other Russian sites such as Ussuriysk, Khabarovsk and Blagoveshchensk, and that they will likely be deployed to battle grounds after completing their adaptation training.

    The NIS posted on its website satellite and other photos showing what it calls Russian navy ship movements near a North Korean port and suspected North Korean mass gatherings in Ussuriysk and Khabarovsk in the past week.

    South Korean media, citing the NIS, reported that North Korea has decided to dispatch a total of 12,000 troops formed into four brigades to Russia. The NIS said it could not confirm the reports.

    North Korea and Russia, locked in separate confrontations with the West, have sharply boosted their cooperation in the past two years. The U.S., South Korea and their partners have accused North Korea of supplying artillery shells, missiles and other conventional arms to Russia to help fuel its war on Ukraine in return for economic and military assistance. In June, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a pact stipulating mutual military assistance if either country is attacked.

    Many experts question how much the North Korean troop dispatch would help Russia, citing North Korea’s outdated equipment and shortages of battle experience. They say North Korea likely received Russian promises to provide it with high-tech weapons technology associated with its nuclear and missile programs, a move that will complicate U.S. and South Korean efforts to neutralize North Korea nuclear threats.

    “Diplomatically, Pyongyang would be sacrificing its relations with European countries for the foreseeable future. The quid pro quo in terms of Russian military technology provided to the Kim regime could be significant enough to threaten South Korea’s security,” said Leif-Eric Easley, professor of international studies at Ewha Womans University in Seoul.

    Hong Min, an analyst at Seoul’s Korea Institute for National Unification, believed Russia has likely offered technology transfers related to intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear-powered submarines and surface-to-air defense systems that would enhance North Korea’s deterrence posture against the U.S. and South Korean forces.

    Hong said Kim may also see the troop dispatch as a crucial opportunity to expose his soldiers to modern weapons technology and warfare and test their combat capabilities.

    Earlier Friday, South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol convened an emergency security meeting to discuss the fallout of the North Korean troop dispatch. Meeting participants agreed that North Korea’s troop dispatch poses “a grave security threat” to South Korea and the international community, according to Yoon’s office.

    Tensions on the Korean Peninsula have intensified in recent years, with Kim sharply increasing the pace of provocative missile tests and openly threatening to use nuclear weapons preemptively. South Korea and the U.S. have responded by expanding their military exercises, which North Korea views as invasion rehearsals.

    On Thursday, Zelenskyy warned that a third nation wading into the hostilities could turn the conflict into a “world war.”

    “From our intelligence we’ve got information that North Korea sent tactical personnel and officers to Ukraine,” Zelenskyy told reporters at NATO headquarters. “They are preparing on their land 10,000 soldiers, but they didn’t move them already to Ukraine or to Russia.”

    Ukrainian media reported earlier this month that six North Koreans were among those killed after a Ukrainian missile strike in the partially occupied eastern Donetsk region on Oct. 3.

    Many experts were earlier skeptical of possible North Korean troop deployments to Russian-Ukraine battlefields because North Korea is preoccupied with its nuclear standoff with the U.S. and South Korea.

    North Korea sent pilots to fight for North Vietnam during the Vietnam war and for Egypt during the Yom Kippur War in 1973, but there have been no known large-scale dispatch of its ground troops overseas.

    There have been speculations that North Korea has likely sent military technicians and engineers to support Russia’s use of North Korean weapons and learn their wartime performances.


    Easley, the professor, said “it would be surprising if Pyongyang deployed thousands of soldiers to fight as hired mercenaries.” But he added North Korea could have sent construction workers, technicians, engineers, and military intelligence officers to Russian-controlled enclaves.

    https://apnews.com/article/north-ko...ps-south-spy-9cd563c5570f68e9b314976009682810
     
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    10-12k pieces of meat fodder to further the diplomatic ties of the new axis of evil, which is essentially 2 guys.

    Very sad.


    I hope they send more and have their own Vietnam. But not really.
     
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    On day 1000 of Putins 3 day Special Military Operation - he deployed North Korean slave soldiers to recapture parts of Kursk Oblast captured by Ukraine.



    What a chess genius Putin is. @glynch
     
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    There are some estimates that Russia can only sustain current levels for another full year. Ukraine aint sitting pretty either from the war of attrition but funding should cover that timespan regardless of who's elected.

    That doesn't mean immediate collapse, if anything, I'd imagine a strong desperate no holds barred push if no ceasefire is agreed upon
     
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    Thanks Obama!
     
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    He had the Chechens with their social media - that were deployed into Ukraine and were supposed to take Ukraine --- then they were all killed by bombs dropped by drones as they drove into Ukraine.

    Now - Putin has the ELITE special forces from North Korea, that are just happy they will be allowed to forage for food and shoes off dead soldiers in Ukraine. They likely will not last long.

    I almost forgot Putin had his private army of "soldiers" that were skin heads (Wagner) that sucked and their leader mysteriously blew up in a plane after flexing at Putin.

    Putin going army shopping at Dollar General.

    A power move would be for Zelensky to answer by paying the Taliban or US Afghanistan veterans to fight for Ukraine against Mother Russia.
     
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  17. DaDakota

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    US Aid to the Ukraine works like this:

    We give them old stock of weapons and ammo and then we pay our own PEOPLE to replace with new stock.....so we essentially are paying our own country and folks working in it......

    It is not money going to the UKRAINE people.

    DD
     
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    I don’t know the numbers but there are retired US veterans fighting for Ukraine. There are also are reports of former Afghanistan government troops fighting for Ukraine.
     
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    **** Russia [​IMG]
    **** Trump
     

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