People that talk about Trump supporters are usually racists and classists

Being accused of being a communist in 21st century America is nowhere near as problematic as being accused of being a racist/nazi/homophobe. Its a rare accusation and its not even in the same universe regarding problematic accusations.

This is not 1954.

The lefts calling everyone and anyone a racist like they are giving away candy has just burned the national discourse to the ground. You cannot have meaningful dialogue or rapprochement when people call you that. So here we are. Sitting in this highly polarized toxic stew.

 

We’re talking politicians not every day citizens. Regardless all of these accusations are subject to the audience’s acceptance,

Trump is being accused of being racist and he has a 50/50 shot of winning. How is it a problem?

95% of voters are locked in to a party year after year

What is an accusation problem scenario?

 

Who said we are talking politicians and not everyday citizens?

The left commonly accusing everyone on the right, politician and voter, from at least GWB forward a racist has helped create a deeply polarized country where dialogue and rapprochement are nearly impossible.

We’re sitting in an America in 2024 that is deeply polarized, the enmity between the left and right is increasingly bitter and the situation appears totally intractable.

Thats why the lefts casual use of the term racist has been so problematic.

 

Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich deeply polarized politics.

And now you’re being ridiculous. When was GWB accused of racism? When he had no trouble from Congress getting authority to start the Iraq cluster****

 

so JD vance is left wing?

do you think trump bears any responsibility for the charged atmosphere in this country? do you think he has inflamed things or made things calmer? do you think he is a divisive and toxic person or is it just the liberals being mean to him?

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bush got accused of racism AFTER screwing up Katrina, He screwed it up putting unqualified people in essentia positions. A lawyer running FEMA

 

Wtf is this... you challengingly ask me "when as GWB accused of racism" and then you answer your own question a few minutes later.

 

I didn’t click at first because he did screw up Katrina.

meanwhile Republicans are hurting their voters lying about Biden and Harris’s hurricane response

 

I think Trump bears responsibility for plenty of things.

The topic I was discussing was the lefts role in the increasing polarization of American politics from the 90s to today. That's what I'm discussing. You're not addressing that. You're attempting to shift the topic to Trump. You're shifting the goal posts. You're doing whataboutism. You're not engaging the topic at hand.

 

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I think Trump bears responsibility for plenty of things.

The topic I was discussing was the lefts role in the increasing polarization of American politics from the 90s to today. That's what I'm discussing. You're not addressing that. You're attempting to shift the topic to Trump. You're shifting the goal posts. You're doing whataboutism. You're not engaging the topic at hand.[/QUOTE]

I said Limbaugh and Gingrich are responsible for today’s vitriol

 

Ok, bully for you, that can be your position on the matter.

 

i do agree that accusations of racism are thrown around too casually, just like accusations of "marxism", "communism" or "america-hating" or whatever else right wigers have been putting out for the last few decades. but if someone like trump says racist things (which he has) then he should be called out.

and even though trump has definitely engaged in tactics and speech that the nazis/hitler used, i have never called him hitler...but his VP running-mate has!

the lefts role in increasing polarization in american politics from the 90's to today pales in comparison to rush limbaugh, fox news and donald trump and no reasonable person could say otherwise.

trump bears primary responsibility for the toxic atmosphere over the last 10 years and no reasonable person could say otherwise.

stuff like this was never necessary before trump came along and told yall that election officials were your enemy.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...curity-threats-poll-workers-voters-rcna176087

Bulletproof vests, snipers and drones: Election officials beef up security at the polls
State and local election officials around the country are taking major steps to keep poll workers and voters safe amid a hostile political environment.

 

GWB was called a racist, John McCain was called a racist, Mitt Romney was called a racist. The left has been casually throwing around "racist" since at least the early 2000s. Well before Trump showed up. That is a very, very bad thing to do. It's such a disgusting accusation that it makes rapprochement impossible. It's deciding to burn the house down regarding cooperation or common ground. You cannot accuse everyone and anyone on the right of being a racist constantly for decades and expect any working together. The left has destroyed any ability to do that.

Spare me the "Well they call us liberals CoMMunIStS" - everyone knows in 21st century America accusations of racism will socially and professionally destroy a person and are on the same level as "pedophile" - being accused of being a communist, socialist etc etc is not in the same universe of problematic. This is not 1952.

Liberals throw "racist" around every 5 seconds like they are the throwing around crumbs to ducks at a public park. It's absolutely disgusting.

 

i already stated the the term "racist" is thrown around too much, however when politicians like trump say racist things they should be called out for it.

this comment reeks of drama-queen-ism.

youre being a drama queen again with this comment. also, trump goes around calling people racist all the time (and much worse). and his own VP running mate called him racist.

 

To the Left, “racist” is often regarded as a description of a system in which non-whites are disadvantaged. A person is “racist” if they support that system, irrespective of any personal animus against non-whites. I have problems with the way the word “racist” has been watered down in that way, but it’s clear that is what has happened in the 21st century.

So, the modern invocation of the term is really not the egregious personal insult you’re making it out to be.

 

Race and class are used by BOTH parties to gain support - vilify "others" and to condone behavior.

This isn't anything new either - it has been done since the beginning in the USA and in other places for thousands of years.

If anything I am surprised that class hasn't been a larger talking point than race - but we are getting there, you are seeing in in this election especially.

 

How about "enemy of the people" or "enemy from within" and using the National Guard or US military against those people?

 

Race was the top issue in this country for 200 years.. It’s so ingrained. That being said class is a big talking point nowadays, small business owners and taxes and the wealthy and workers is a big topic in this election

Race is emotional politics; class is functional politics

 

There is a whole ecosystem of right wing media that has been far more aggressive and ugly in its attacks on anyone that falls outside white christian nationalism. One look at the reputation of Hillary Clinton - which was utterly trashed by 4 decades of right-wing attacks (most of which was based on fabricated or utterly false accusations) - and one can see that right wing media has been far more effective in poisoning the well of public discourse. Yet the GOP whinges like a 2-year old every time they're called out on their actions - the entire party is one of hate, greed and grievance. T

Furthermore, the champions of this kind of thinking are actually elected at all levels as Republicans, while the most extreme leftists are rarely found outside of YouTube or as a caller (not even a host) on Pacifica radio. There is no equivalent to MTG, Boebert or Matt Gaetz in national Democratic politics. he Democrats have plenty of faults but as a whole, they're actually interested in governance.

I said this in another thread and I'll say it here - the GOP and its supporters are the bad guys. Our descendants will be reading about you in their history books and shaking their heads the same way most of us shake our heads when we read about the 19th century confederates.

 

Hillary Clinton is a POS.

She called Monica Lewinsky a liar on national television and said the scandal was a GOP conspiracy. She was willing to dance on that young womens grave to protect the Clinton brand.

It's not just the most extreme leftists who call hurl "racist" around like its candy at a halloween party. It's extremely common up and down the party and it's contributed hugely to the polarization of politics in this country.