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[Official] Kamala Harris for President 2024

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sajan, Jul 21, 2024.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    That doesn't mean what you think it does. It's like Obama handing Trump a decent economy doesn't mean Trump did something special with the economy when really he just spent money, cut taxes, and enjoyed low interest rates.

    Likewise Obama inherited Bush Jr's two wars of choice and Biden inherited Trump's isolationist populism.

    Trump had to make concessions ( he didn't just ask) and NK claimed the agreement was "null and void" before Trump left the White House. Here's S Korea's foreign minister:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-...tmare-how-trump-s-north-korea-gamble-n1230866

    Correct, Russia weakening alliances is far more impactful. Russia played a role in Brexit (UK's economy has been underwhelming since) which weakened Europe. Russia played a role in putting a isolationist into US office who would be opposed to the type of alliances that gives Russia pause.

    I won't deny the Obama admin was too weak on Russia when they kept escalating, but so is Trump/MAGA. MAGA not supporting Ukraine only emboldens Russia, China, Iran, and NK more.

    Which is based on nothing except your own thoughts and prayers. China, Russia, NK, and Iran smell blood due to MAGA's international weakness.


    China, Russia, NK, and Iran are more emboldened due to Trump's isolationism. Biden
     
  2. Andre0087

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    You and I both...
     
  3. Scarface281

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    Let’s break it down because your argument is missing many key details:

    North Korea: Long-range missile testing stopped under Trump after meeting with Kim. You conveniently skip that testing only resumed after Trump left office. So no the policy wasn’t a failure from the start.

    Isolationism: Where’s the proof? Trump wasn’t “weak” on China—he had a trade war. Iran didn’t seem emboldened after Soleimani’s death. And North Korea halted missile tests. You’re making broad claims without showing actual evidence under Trump. Produce evidence.

    Russia and Crimea: Russia took Crimea under Obama, not Trump. So trying to blame Trump for “emboldening” Russia doesn’t hold up when Obama let them annex an entire region in a gigantic geopolitical move + major flex by Russia on Obama's watch.

    General Weakness: Again where’s the proof? Iran was hit hard, NK behaved, and Trump wasn’t soft on China. Your narrative isn’t backed by real examples of how these countries acted under Trump vs. Obama or Biden.
     
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  4. FranchiseBlade

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    You need to get your facts correct. I posted information for you about of the missle tests NK took.

    Before Trump Iran wasn't enriching weapons grade nuclear materials and there was mandated allowed verification. But Trump pulled out of the treaty that mandated that.

    Trump lost a trade war with China and helped create some of the shortages responsible for inflation.

    That isn't even starting with Russia, Israel and all of him being laughed at out loud while addressing the general assembly.
     
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    The best way to get @Scarface281 to choke down a glass of STFU is to mention anything Trump said or did or just existing at All- he goes POOF - like he was never there at all
     
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    Um. I know you would rather have your Candidate talk about a Dead Golfer's penis size, but there is nothing wrong with that clip.
     
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    Where were you when Obama was making weird jokes about Trump's hand/penis size?

    That was ok, I guess.
     
  10. Mr.Scarface

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    Obama is not running for President. Obama was talking about crowd sizes. You let your mind go to Penis sizes....lol
     
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    I didn't mind. Just pointing out your hypocrisy.

     
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    Obama cooked hard.
     
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    His delivery and timing has always been excellent. Great speaker, too. Swagger.

    Not comparable with bumbling, cackling Kamala.

    Both for some reason propping up Iranian Mullahs though, and extreme wokeness.
     
  15. AroundTheWorld

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    so weird

    first the weird "black men" post

    now this



    such obvious pandering - illegal, divisive, racist

    that's kamallah
     
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    Kameltoe is a hardcore serial liar. That big nose on her will be a foot long by the time November comes around.
     
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    No one gives a ****. LOL.
     
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    North Korea stopped the agreement before Trump left office per the article. The US wasn't going to continue to give up the Trump concessions as North Korea was never going to stop its nuclear weapons program or it's military buildup. Trump got NK to only stop long range test and only for a short time as NK ended the agreement before election day, before they knew he would be president next (it was a very close election that Biden won legally).

    Isolationist on foreign policy and protectionist on economics are similar but two different things. The trade war ultimately was about isolationism.

    Iran built up increasing economic and military ties to China and Russia (a historically foe). Iran continued to expand and arm it's proxies in the middle east.

    NK halted a particular missile test while continuing all other aspects of its nuclear program and military buildup, including other missile tests. NK showed no indication it would stop shooting long range missiles unless new concessions were offered.

    China, Iran, Russia, and NK only grew closer under Trump and it accelerated after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.


    If Trump wins, will the U.S. become isolationist?
    Trump and his Republican allies are fueling a new isolationist strain in American politics that could radically alter America’s approach to the world — with unpredictable consequences.

    Congress had to sanction Russia under Trump, not vice versa. And when Russia invaded Ukraine, it's been the Trump GOP that's been dragging their feet. Frankly, western conservatives seem to be dragging their feet against Russia.

    How was Iran hit hard? Assassinating an Iranian General in Iraq with a drone? They still seem more than capable right now....

    North Korea behaved by continuing all aspects of its nuclear program aside from long range ballistic testing. All indications they were going to continue to test long range missiles without new concessions.

    China, Russia, Iran, and NK detect the weakness that Trump's isolationist populism has produced. If you don't want China and Co to increasingly carve up the world in their favor than lines need to be started drawing in the sand.
     
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