People that talk about Trump supporters are usually racists and classists

Oddly, I agree with everything you just stated.

 

And no... You wouldn't wish someone you formed a positive bond with to be deported. Do you think anyone buys your claim that you would wish deportation of someone you knew for years and admired and respected?

I'm trying to figure out who you are trying to convince of this absurd notion?

 

This is the country that invented race-based slavery. We committed a genocide against the Native Americans. This is the home of white supremacy and the Ku Klux Klan. We imprisoned Japanese for being Japanese. So of course the accusations of racism have been ongoing for decades because the perpetuation of racism has been ongoing for centuries. Trump is just the latest big fish in a long line of racists. Calling a bunch of people white trash because of social demographics intersecting with their political views is toxic. Grappling with -- and hopefully ultimately defeating -- racism is not toxic, but our moral obligation. It'll get contentious, and SJWs will sometimes take things too far and be in the wrong. But why do you put all the blame on them and none on the actual racists?

 

Me- "You would probably not wish that someone you formed a close relationship with who has lived here for over a decade and has built ties to the place to be deported"

Htm - "I don't believe in open borders"


Okay....

 

I don't really care what you believe.

I do know people who live in this country who would be subject to deportation. They know it too. They are big boys and girls.

I wouldn't be "happy" they are being deported but I wouldn't consider it an "injustice" and neither should they. I'd feel sad for them but accept it as a proper application of immigration law.

 

"They are big boys and girls".

Is being a adult make you immune to stripping away your life in terms of your work, circle of friends, the community you have been apart of for years and being transported to another place against your will?

The fact the you think there are migrants that exist that are like "ah personal repssiblity means I should welcome being deported" tells me you aren't debating sincerely.

Every new reply reconfirms that the effects of the election to you only extend to entertainment and not life altering ramifications.

 

This is not a country that "invented race based slavery" - lmao - what an ignorant claim. This country inherited race based slavery from the British Empire and race base slavery had been a thing for centuries prior to the creation of the United States.

There is a history of racism in this country... like in every country... what's your point?

Liberals getting on MSNBC, CNN, Reddit, the D&D and calling everyone to the right of them a racist/homophobe/nazi has helped create and foster a toxic environment the likes of which I don't think we saw as much of in the latter part of the 20th century. It is a more recent phenomena that liberals have promulgated and leaned into in the 21st century. The problem is, when you take rhetoric that far, it's absolutely destroys any kind of rapprochement or discourse.

Liberals have raised the red flag and called for no quarter with that type of extreme rhetoric and here we are.

 

I despise illegal immigration and I'll save the details for the other thread when time permits.

 

lmao at the appeals to the goodliness of the illegal migrants.

I could just as well craft a narrative about the rapist illegal migrants.

But that narrative crafting crap is boring nonsense.

I believe in the proper application of customs and border law. People here illegally should be deported.

 

Nah race base slavery like what happened in America was unique.

Mainly because it was slavery based in race that also fueled the industrial revolution. So it was srac based slavery at an industrial scale to clothe and feed the new accelerated rising industrial population. By the time of the industrial revolution, most industrialized nations banned slavery except the US so it created this powerful concoction of race based slavery being as important as oil is today in fueling a industrialized nations.

This resulted in a era of slavery that had the most consecutive generations of a significant population pool purely based in race in a country being passed down as inheritance and at an industrial scale. This is of course going to create ramifications that last more than a hundred years even after the banning of slavery due to how large the scale was and how many constructive generations were passed down and were barred from basic education like learning to read.

 

What are you saying "Nah" to in my post?

and how in any way is this rant responsive to anything I said?

 

There is only one state that tracks violent crime based on immigration status and that's Texas and according to Texas data, illegal immigrants have a significantly lower violent crime rate than citizens.

And if you argument moves goal posts to "well even one added violent murder from someone who doesn't belong here already is a problem" I'll just explain to you American birth rates and how the requirement for a migrant labor population is required if you want to keep on buying your 12 pack of frozen poppers at 5 dollars instead of 10.

The country requires a minimum amount of bodies for labor to run the economy and maintain a semblance of the current pricing we are used to and the current birth rate of Americans citizens isn't covering their minimum requirement

 

Citing demographic concerns is not an excuse to break and disregard a countries immigration laws. Which, you know, every country in the world has. Even poor countries.

You can point to demographic concerns in every developed country. They all have and enforce immigration laws.

Should I just be able to show up in Sweden say, "I like it here I think I'll stay forever, you know, you guys have a demographic crisis, you should be thanking me" and not be subject to deportation?

What's the next excuse?

 

That the style of race base slavery in America happens often in human history before.

No because most of history, slavery was a product of "the spoils of war" and not race. Also because most of society before the industrial revolution relied on subsistence farming with no large scale industrial scale farming to feed a industrial revolution era population growth rate the demand for slavery was limited to personal use as servants for land owners rather than fueling industry. The concept of children born into slavery being an inheritance passed along is almost uniquely an American chattel slavery concept.

The concept of breeding a racial group for a industrial scale level of slave labor is a uniquely American concept.

 

"Everyone does it" isn't an excuse to violate civil violations (the same level of violation that is being undocumented) and go 5 miles over the speed limit.

The issue here is you attach a strong moral aspect to the concept of someone being here illegally rather than just being a result of circumstances as the vast majority of illegal migrants don't have a legal avenue.

And if you are going to benefit from the labor of illegals, you probably should view them as an exploited group of people rather than a group of people that harm you.

 

Who said, "often" - point to the often.

The British, Portuguese, French and Dutch all imported African slaves to their colonies in the Western hemisphere for hundreds of years before the United States was even a country.

Source? This did not occur in Portuguese, French, British and Dutch colonies in the Western Hemisphere?

Source? This did not occur in Portuguese, French, British and Dutch colonies in the Western Hemisphere?

 

Indentured servitude was the first form of forced labor in the American colonies and it was the legal and political decisions of early colonial policymakers that transitioned us from an indentured servitude model to a race-based slave model. I'm referring to the 1640 case of John Punch that first set a legal precedent for slavery based on race -- he was sentenced to lifetime slavery for running away from indentured servitude along with 2 white runaways that were not so punished. And then a Virginia law from 1662 that codified the enslaved status of any child born of a slave mother, making explicit and legal the practice of enslaving the children of slaves.

 

No. Slavery as a commodity where a specic racial group is breed to create industrial growth is unique to America.

Almost all Europeans counties before the peak of the industrial revolution already banned slavery. Some European countries still allowed it in their colonies but not in the Continental Europe.

America really is the only country to use race based slavery to fuel industrial growth and breed slaves as a commodity where the children are passed down as capital that is inherited.

 

You're not addressing what I'm saying again. You're moving. Address my questions.

 

I'm not saying this is a great thread by any means but definitely prefer people trading bits of history understanding versus pure poo flinging. *golf clap*