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The 2024 Presidential Election

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. Rashmon

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    they're not undecided. "do your own research" is code for maga who don't want to publicize they are

    early voters are traditionally middle class and conservative. it's the segment the gop need to win back.
     
  3. deb4rockets

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    This election is simple.

    Democracy vs Dictatorship

    The choice is simple.

    Trump wants to be just like his idol Putin.
    A liar, a propaganda spewing racist, a man willing to use violence and cruelty against anyone he personally despises, a man who can't be trusted, and will do anything to stay in power.

    He wants to suspend the Constitution from day 1. Build a team of loyalists willing to lie, cheat, and steal for him. Fire those who won't. Use the military and the Alien Enemies act of 1798 during peacetime instead of war to put brown skinned immigrants in containment camps and/or remove from them all from our country. Forcefully, perhaps. A day of allowing police free rein to beat the sh*t out of minorities, or anyone else with no repercussions. Use Marshall Law as his own personal vengeance tool. Arrest and imprison any and everyone he considers his political enemy. Revoke licenses of networks and media outlets who don't say what he likes, and won't echo his propaganda and lies as the truth. The list goes on, but the scariest part of all is that Trump's not only a psychopath, but one with a brain that's already showing signs of dementia.




     
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  4. basso

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    white dudes for Harris IMG_5005.jpeg
     
  5. Nook

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    We will have to wait and see - it is very close.
     
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    These actually aren't undecided voters.

    They are Republican voters BEGGING Trump, FoxNews, etc. to give them something.... any reason they can find to "Come Home."

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    This is exactly why Kamala and her team are spending every waking hour going right at these "come home" voters they know are just looking for an excuse to do what we all know they want to do. All of them want to vote for Trump, and like Trump but they are educated enough to know that he's bad news. They know he's running on a campaign of Civil War, and they probably do want what Trump wants BUT they have a little bit of a conscious telling them to avoid those impulses, and they do want to be well liked in their social circles as someone reasonable, and intelligent.

    Unfortunately I do think many of those "undecided" voters will come home on election day, and they'll find the soundbite they need to in an ad or something that allows them the permission they need to vote for Trump. But whatever the Harris campaign can do to peel off or at least keep home as much of those voters as possible will be what decides this election.

    In 2016 all of these voters broke for Trump because of the permission structure that came out of the Comey announcement. You had that happen which allowed for them to feel good about their both-sides argument, and you had the white uneducated non-voters who showed up in droves. Kamala knows the white non-educated voters are coming out for Trump. They know black and Latino men have been trending to the right for some time. Keeping the "come home" voters from doing what they want to do in voting for Trump is probably an impossible task, but it's likely their only hand they have left to play because this is non a majority Democracy supporting country anymore.

    My intuition tells me that the majority of voters have abandoned our Constitutional Republic in search for something else. The only way to win elections to save Democracy for a little longer is working really really hard to convince just a sliver of the population who doesn't really want YOU to convince them of anything. You are trying to convince someone who is looking for any excuse he can find to vote the other way.
     
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    True, but I just don't see him winning. He has too many things going against him since the last time he ran. He incited a coup, is an election denier, has committed tons of criminal acts, is a convicted felon, is ramping up the lies and racist propaganda like never before, and is becoming more and more brazen with actions he says he will take against anyone who cares to speak out against him. He's ramped up the hate rhetoric, embraced Putin, yet called Americans the enemy, and has thrown out ideas and plans that are visions of violence, prosecutions, and retributions against who he perceived in his mentally ill brain that are enemies within.

    Not only that, he's 8 years older, showing serious signs of cognitive impairment, lying about anything and everything, and spewing more anger, hate, and propaganda than ever. Nope, I don't believe the majority of Americans want anything to do with electing someone so blazingly Anti-Democracy, so ignorant and rebellious about climate change, someone who has no healthcare plan, someone with a tariff plan viewed as a terrible idea, someone unwilling to enforce common sense gun laws, and someone who will lie straight in there face about anything and everything. He's a fraud, a man unfit to serve, and someone who has pissed off more people every month the past 8 years with his vile and disgusting lies and rhetoric. It's a losing strategy and it's even turned his own party members against him and warning Americans how unfit and dangerous he is.

    Believe what you want, but I have more faith in Americans to not vote for Trump for more reasons than I can count or care to list.
     
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    It really is a question of polling accuracy. If the polling is even close to being accurate than your theory is incorrect. Because that would mean that at least 47% of voters AT THE LEAST (election could be even closer), openly desire what Trump is selling... which is corruption, Christian Nationalism, economic depression through tariffs & anti-immigration, and to get rid of Democracy to make way for an autocratic future. There are zero voters who do not understand that at this point. Except for the truly ignorant, and likely mentally not all there which is a fraction of a fraction, everyone knows what voting for Trump means. Yet 47% at least will do it.

    Even in the best case scenario next month, it's impossible for me to say that I have faith in "Americans" in general. Hopefully I'm wrong and it's a blowout, but most likely in any Harris win even, we'll still be here scratching our heads wondering why it was even this close, and the answer is obvious. Half of the country just isn't all that into Democracy anymore. That's really bad news for our future. Even if we squeak this one out, eventually this coalition will win an election, and there's just no going back.

    Hope to be wrong, and appreciate you having a bit more faith in this country than I do.
     
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    Sad part is, when you say truly ignorant and likely mentally not all there I think of Trump himself. Why even 47% would vote for that is just absolutely mind-blowing to me. Regardless, I do have faith that more Americans than ever before will get out and vote, and I believe that women and all those young first time voters deeply concerned about climate change will give Harris the edge to win.
     
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    This is a big reason why Harris has lost the election

     
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    It's JUST one poll.

    Trump had the lead, but Harris has now overtaken him. It is basically a toss-up. This gels with the Harris camp's story from the start - they said they were the underdog and just recently stated it's now a toss-up. She has the momentum, but is there enough undecided and soft-leaning voters left to make a difference

    If you do the math for the data below, it's Harris 49% to Trump 48% with 3% TBD. They are fighting over that last 3%.

    Kamala Harris Has Won Over 60% of Undecided Voters in Past Month: Poll - Newsweek

    Emerson College polling, conducted between October 14 and 16, shows that among undecided voters who chose who they would vote for in the past week or month, 60 percent opted for the Democratic vice president, while 36 percent opted for Republican former President Donald Trump.

    Among those voters, 57 percent opted for Harris in the past month, while 41 percent opted for Trump. Meanwhile, among undecided voters who chose who they would vote for in the past week, 65 percent chose Harris, while 27 percent opted for Trump.

    Voters who decided who to support over a month ago broke for Trump, 52 percent to 48 percent.

    The poll found that a majority of voters (80 percent) said they made up their minds about which candidate to support over a month ago, while 11 percent made up their minds in the last month, 6 percent made up their minds in the past week, and 3 percent still have not made up their mind.

    "The three percent of voters who said they could still change their mind currently favor Harris, 48 percent to 43 percent," Spencer Kimball, Emerson College Polling executive director, said.
     
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    That's so hard to believe really. I don't even know a single person who is undecided. They are two candidates with completely opposite viewpoints on so many big issues. I can't think of anything Trump's done the past month that would sway any so called undecided voters to choose him. If anything he's shown himself to be more and more cognitively impaired and disturbingly unfit to serve.
     
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    Trump leaking is why he will lose the election. Nothing to do with crypto bro circle jerks.

     
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    New history? Is that what they call actual history?
     
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    bookmarking this post.
     
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    One less future debate for Kamala ...

     
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    Did you see him winning the first go around?
     
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    Yes, I thought it would be a toss up. People didn't know how incompetent and untrustworthy he would be then. He showed that during the pandemic. He showed that when he inserted family members into high positions of trust. People didn't know how much of a liar he was then. It's even worse now. Now he lies every time he opens his mouth for more than 2 minutes. People didn't know he would turn the Republican Party into a lie and propaganda hate spewing regime back then, or that he would spit on the votes of the people if he lost again, and try to overthrow the votes and take power. People didn't know he would go full crazy for power and incite a coup and insurrection if he lost the second time around. People didn't know then that he would get more and more cozy with Dictators and trust their word over his own FBI in foreign affairs.

    He showed his true colors. Greed and power, at all cost. Lie, cheat and steal to get what you want. Never admit the truth. Obstruct justice and keep lying. That's what he did after he took hundreds of boxes of classified documents. Deflect from the truth and start pointing fingers and blaming everyone but yourself. Lie, lie, lie, and lawyer up. That's Trump. That was before all those close associates and fellow Republicans called him dangerous, and started warning Americans of the depths he would go, of his mental incompetence, and his being unfit to serve and a threat to National Security. That was back before he pardoned a bunch of his crooked associates and friends to show their loyalty and get full onboard the Stop the Steal campaign of lies.

    That was back before he called those police beating, armed and dangerous violent supporters Patriots, he promises to pardon. That was back before he started showing serious signs of cognitive issues like he is now. Yeah, things were much much different then, and yes, I thought he had a better chance of winning back when he was 70, and not a convicted felon who is still stalling all the rest of his trials to escape conviction. That was back before he showed his true colors. He's and older, meaner, more vindictive, and more cognitively unstable and crazier version of the man he once was, and even back then he shouldn't have been trusted.
     
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    hilarious.
     
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