Elon's biggest problem @ Twitter - he's not funny at tweeting

If Elon's biggest problem at Twitter is that he is not funny at tweeting, he is doing quite ok.

 

I would say Musk is more "visionary" than "genius".

He had a vision to buy companies/technology where the technology hadn't quite caught up yet and coupled them with cheap money and government support.

 

or @SamFisher

 

It's hard for me to take seriously people who are unwilling to recognize a difference between the constant stream of lies that Trump has promoted and the particular examples you cited. I'm not going to waste time here going over them.

But I understand the psychology. When the person you're backing has such total disregard for truth, you have to convince yourself that everyone else is exactly the same. The more vile and corrupt Trump shows himself to be, the more his backers will try to smear the other side with made up BS to "even the score".

God, I hate this ****.

 

A shitty father is one that is not involved in their lives and doesn't provide support, and that isn't limited to financial support.

He currently has at least 12 children with three different women. He has in the past admitted he doesn't see his children enough - and that is consistent with what his daughter and ex-wife has said about him.

I don't believe that it is good for the father to not be present.

In fairness, Musk also had a poor father - it is just disappointing that he didn't do better.

[/QUOTE]Hateful things? Do you mean subjects you disagree with?[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily - sexist comments against a number of people, calling someone a pedo .... personal attacks.

[/QUOTE]I do agree; he does needlessly promotes false information, but hey, that is modern politics. You're not complaining when everyone else is doing it.[/QUOTE]

At least you admit he promotes false information - so I appreciate that.

Musk is an exceptional business person and his ethic and vision are inspiring - but as a person, I wouldn't call him a role model at all.

 

I think he is a genius. I am not saying he is a brilliant engineer.... he is a genius in the same way that Ford or Edison were geniuses.

Elon Musk is an incredibly successful entrepreneur and an extremely ambitious one as well - he is the wealthiest non-dictator in the world, and he has been at the forefront doing things that other businesspeople said were not realistic. I am not going to question his genius at forming or running a business, as he has had a number of very successful businesses - I will say, that does not mean he is a genius at other things, and his opinions on things like politics, or raising a family or sports are not worth more than anyone elses.

 

His biggest problem is probably that he has seen the value of his investment in Twitter greatly depreciate -- although it isn't as if he needs the money.

To me - his biggest problem is that he spreads a lot of false information.

Having said that - I do admire some things about him.

 

Is Trump a good or bad father?

 

My love for politics is dead. The last 9 years has murdered it. It's why I still watch The West WIng on a loop.

 

Hateful things? Do you mean subjects you disagree with?[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily - sexist comments against a number of people, calling someone a pedo .... personal attacks.

[/QUOTE]I do agree; he does needlessly promotes false information, but hey, that is modern politics. You're not complaining when everyone else is doing it.[/QUOTE]

At least you admit he promotes false information - so I appreciate that.

Musk is an exceptional business person and his ethic and vision are inspiring - but as a person, I wouldn't call him a role model at all.[/QUOTE]

I think its prudent not to comment on parenting, especially in this case. If a father is refusing to support (financially) or abuses their child, that is fair to call them a shitty parent. However to call them a shitty parent because they are absent is only reflecting your personal opinion on the matter. Jaded ex's are not exactly a good source of information. Also he had children with a couple women with understanding of arrangements. Is a traditional father? Obviously not.
I dont consider him a good role model (i dont consider any well known person a good role model) and he certainly has his flaws, but parenting isn't anywyere at the top of the list.

 

We need to detach success to intelligence. It's a deeply ingrained part of our society and culture and I understand it. It's a very difficult habit to shake off of.

When I think of actual genius, I think of people who are near debilitated because of their intellectual curiosity. Like they cannot move on from solving a problem they are working on which often interferes with things like parental duties so Elon musk being a shitty parent isn't what excludes him from being a genius. It's his lack of intellectual curiosity. Actual geniuses come in the form of extreme hobbyists like Wozniak or career academic physicists. I think the desire to create a wealth empire is such a id part of the human psyche that it signals to me that that person is not a genius. Too many aspects of Musk's motivations come from the id part of his brain to be considered a genius in my opinion.

 

I am not claiming that because he is a shitty parent he isn't a genius - I am claiming that he is a genius in his particular field of specialization, but that does not mean that he is a genius or even qualified to offer weighted opinions on other issues - like governance or social policy. I equate it to thinking that because Bill Gates is a genius as a businessman, does not mean that I should assume he knows how to change my brakes or offer me scientific opinions.....

I don't really have a desire to dive into the rabbit hole of whether Musk is a genius or not - I believe he is a genius at what he excels in, forming and running ambitious businesses - I base that on his track record of success at numerous businesses, the scorn he got from other business leaders over Tesla and other businesses and the incredible amount of success..... if you wish to define genius differently, that is okay --- but my larger point is that being great and authoritative in one field does not mean it crosses over to another field. Albert Einstein was a brilliant man, but he was considered a mediocre to bad husband - so relationship advice from AE likely doesn't carry much weight.

 

I think genius is Einstein.

I think visionary is Musk and Ford.

 

Ya I think we just disagree with what "genius" means. I guess from your framing your consider Ja Morant a genius in blowing by NBA defenders because he is successful at it.

For me what makes a genius is almost near debilitating intellectual curiosity that makes someone obsessed in solving a problem not because of fame, notariety or wealth. No the reason why they are obsessed with solving a problem is because they are obsessed with solving the problem. There is no other motivation that drives them besides ok intellectual curiosity. Solving the problem in itself is the reward. Einstein never tried to prove relativistic physics because of wealth. He tried to prove it because he was obsessed with it. That isn't Elon musk. Every action he takes has nothing to do with fulfilling curiosity but rather obtaining wealth and social clout.

 

you're just weird.

 

Elon musk taking up time being a right wing influencer the past half decade kinda shows his hand how little he has to do with this. He invests most of his day to his social media personality of a right wing influencer than anything else throughout the day. Be impressed by the engineers and technicians

 

I think he is personally very driven and industrious and has been exceptional in leading companies that drive technical innovation. He is clearly very demanding on his teams and that's worked out well for him. People who know him or have worked with him seem to have a high opinion of his technical acumen, at least for someone at his educational level.

I can respect some of his qualities, but I have total disdain for the way he's used his considerable resources to personally attack others and also to promote unscrupulous politicians that he clearly hopes he can manipulate to his advantage.

 

You can think it isn't prudent to comment on parenting - but Elon Musk comments on just about everything.... plus, after saying you don't think it is prudent to comment, you follow up by commenting on what you define as being a shitty parent.

My personal opinion is that having a dozen children with 3 different women - not living with your children - and in the case of some children, having very little involvement is poor parenting, especially when you have the means to not do it that way. I don't consider just financially supporting a child being a good or adequate father. Being an acceptable parent requires more than that - and the fact that he isn't good at it, admits that he doesn't spend enough time with his children - yet continues to have more is very selfish.

As for parenting not being at the top of the list - I agree, I was using it as an example that someone can be brilliant at one subject and bad at another.