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Elon's biggest problem @ Twitter - he's not funny at tweeting

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Dec 2, 2022.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    There are some in Minnesota who still claim the Lakers and there is a George Mikan Statue in Target Center.

    That is about as relevant to this discussion as the Rockets started in San Diego.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    If the aerospace industry started with a profit motive from the onset, there would be no human missions to even low earth orbit. All endeavors in aerospace engineering started in the public sector primarily in defense.


    Clowns like you don't understand this. Almost all major human endeavors in science and engineering start in he public sector because the groundwork for discovery in science and engineering has little to no profitablity. Think about it this way. When a bunch of publicly funded academic physicists were discovering and understanding quantum mechanics, no one would predict when the field of quantum mechanics started that it would lead to the microprocessor revolution that changed the world. Capitalism didn't create the curiosity that started the space race or underlying physics at the quantum level.

    Also Elon Musk doesn't have an ounce of intellectual curiosity. He's purely an investor with the only technical skills he possess being junior level coding skills that most entry level freshman collage grad software programmers possess
     
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  3. SamFisher

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    The person who *owned*, but didn't actually work on, the most advanced rocketry program in 1940-45 was...?
     
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    I agree with Elon - and he is a genius--- but he should look in the mirror. Being a shitty father, posting nasty and hateful things constantly and posting false information isn't the kind of inspiration we need.

    Many geniuses in US history have also been mediocre people - Henry Ford, Thomas Edison and Hurst come to mind.... great at what they were great at, but not always so good at understanding people or relationships. They can run a company, but no one in hindsight would want them to run the USA.
     
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    Hitler
     
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    setting aside the constitutional issue, who is suggesting Elon “run the USA?”
     
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    His opinions on who should run the USA or how the USA should be governed mean nothing - he isn't a genius in that regard.

    If I want to run an auto plant or a company in 1900 USA I would listen to Henry Ford - if I wanted to look to someone that is great at running a government or representing people in government, I am not looking to Henry Ford or Chas. Lindberg - there opinions on those topics are about as useful as someone walking down the street - and that goes for Elon Musk and Salman Rushdie (who supports Harris)...
     
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  9. Space Ghost

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    Who do you think is a 'good' person. I suspect anyone you believe to be a good person is just as highly flawed.
    How are you defining a shitty father? Are you suggesting he beats his kids and neglects to provide them support? How do you feel about some of the European model where its normal and acceptable for fathers to be absent?
    Hateful things? Do you mean subjects you disagree with?
    I do agree; he does needlessly promotes false information, but hey, that is modern politics. You're not complaining when everyone else is doing it.
     
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    Bro looks like Gandolf
     
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    He's not a genius. He's above average intelligent.

    Anyone who worked an actual technical field in engineering, lab work, stem research field knows this.

    The only people with technical knowledge who claim Elon is a genius are employees who can't risk ruining Musk's techo genius aura for fear of losing a job.

    He has the same skillset as SBF which is acquired through a unique upbringing of being surrounded by a bunch of investors and venture capitalists since childhood and learning how to talk to them and understanding what "sells" to them. That's his number one talent.... Knowing how to talk to people with money.

    Steve Jobs was also not a genius but compared to Elon he had some expertise in knowing what consumers want in terms of form and function. He just and zero technical knowledge on how to make those things so he relied on actual geniuses like Wozniak.

    And that's one thing that separates geniuses from above average intelligent people who learned how to sell to VCs. Intellectual curiosity. True geniuses are too consumed in their actual work and curiosity to think of profit motives and building an empire.

    Someone like Jon B Goodenough who was a career academic invented RAM and the Lithium Ion Battery. His brain was too consumed to intellectual curiosity where he was stuck in basements and labs in universities doing research instead of thinking about how to build a wealth empire
     
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    There is an old saying
    To me you are a genius
    To him you are a genius.
    But to a genius you are no genius.

    These guys have a vision and hire the brightest minds to make those visions come true.
    But one must have a vision.
    Thats why Executive chefs hire bakers.
    Baking is science. Cooking is art. both can be true, but you all hopefully get the point.
     
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    One must have capital and a background as a child in hanging out with venture capitalists and learning how to talk to them.

    Line cook to chief chef operating a business is different than "dude with undergrad level understanding of physics and coding using initial capital and ability to sell to get in the door of ownership of massive capital".

    Are there actual engineers with actual patents who become wealthy capitalists? Sure. That is more equivalent to going from cook to head chef because the person actually did the technically skilled work to work his or her way up.
     
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    There is a good (though way too long- guy needs an editor ) Ed Zitron essay on this from yesterday:


    At the core of this problem is, in my mind, a distinct unwillingness — perhaps it's a kind of cognitive dissonance — to believe that somebody could be so rich, powerful, and mediocre. It's much easier to see Sam Altman as a "genius master-class strategist" than as just another rich guy that's really good at manipulating other rich guys into doing things for him, or Elon Musk as a "precocious genius" rather than a boorish oaf that's exceedingly good at leveraging both assets and his personal brand.

    It's far more comfortable to see the world as one where these people have "earned" their position, and that they, at the top of their industries, are special people, because otherwise you'd have to consider that for the most part, they're all frightfully average.

    There is nothing special about Elon Musk, Sam Altman, or Mark Zuckerberg. Accepting that requires you to also accept that the world itself is not one that rewards the remarkable, or the brilliant, or the truly incredible, but those who are able to take advantage of opportunities, which in turn leads to the horrible truth that those who often have the most opportunities are some of the most boring and privileged people alive.

    The problem isn't so much how dull they are, but how desperate some are to make them exceptional. Sam Altman's rise to power came, in part, from members of the media propping him up as a genius, with the New Yorker saying that "Altman's great strengths are clarity of thought and an intuitive grasp of complex systems," a needless and impossible-to-prove romanticization of a person done in the name of rationalizing his success. Having watched and listened to hours of Altman talking, I can tell you that he's a pretty bright guy, but also deeply mediocre — one of thousands of different "pretty smart Stanford guys" that you'll find in any bar in the Bay Area.

    The New Yorker's article is deeply bizarre, because it chooses to simply assume that people like Marc Andreessen and Reid Hoffman are, by virtue of being rich, are also smart, and that because they think Sam Altman is smart, he is, indeed, smart. Altman's history is steeped in failure and deceit, yet he knows that all he has to do is say some vague epithet about how superintelligence is "a few thousand days away" to get attention, because the media will not sit and think "hey, is Sam Altman someone that would lie to us?" despite him continually lying about OpenAI's progress toward this very goal.

    Silicon Valley exists in a kind of bizarre paradox where the youngest companies are often met with the most scrutiny and attention as its most powerful figures can destroy their products and lie in public with barely a hint of analysis. Meanwhile, the most powerful companies enjoy a level of impunity, with their founders asked only the most superficial, softball of questions — and deflecting anything tougher by throwing out dead cats when the situation demands.

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    First of all, not everyone is the same when it comes to spreading false information -- even in the political world. Not even close.

    Secondly, Musk owns a hugely influential social media platform, and you don't understand that in his role he has a much higher responsibility to ensure false information is not being spread. Especially when he touts/sells himself as some great defender of truth.

    Imagine if someone defends a major news outlet that spreads false information by saying "Well, that's politics!"
     
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    He does understand it and he is an intended recipient/propagator of it (as are most of the muskbros here)
     
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    Ya know, Hunter Bidens laptop, Covid came from a wet market, 'Good people on both sides'. We could keep going on. Lets not pretend propaganda is one of the oldest forms of deception and your team is morally and ethically superior and would never participate in propaganda.
     
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    This is not a response to what I wrote.
     
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    Of course not because you believe the narrative at the time was not false.... and probably still do. As i said, you believe your team is above the fray when in fact they are absolutely no different than Musk, Trump and everything else that is flat out false or misleading.
     
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    So maga loves Elon now and his electric cars because elon is endorsing trump and helps spread his lies on twitter.........................boy oh boy, I can't wait to see the whiplash of maga once elon and trump disagree, and trump throws him to the curb.

    the muskbros will have to sell their electric cars that they didn't want in the first place
     

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