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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    It isn't what I would support females close to me wearing. That's for sure. I would support any other women that wish to abandon that aspect of their traditions.

    But it doesn't erase anyone else's culture. It isn't a reason to be scared of immigrants. It isn't scary to me. Myabe it's kind of sad. But I won't presume to know all that is involved.

    You seem to have a real issue dealing with people who are outside of what you're used to. Good luck.
     
  2. HTM

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    Imagine if a Christian sect forced women to wear clothing like this and how much hell it would catch in the Western world.

    But it's Islam so it's "well if they choose to wear it who am I to comment"

    lmao :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    he looks and sounds old all of a sudden.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    I think nations that are theocracies do catch grief for these kinds of oppressive restrictions. But people here aren't forced to wear it. I'm not harmed by it,nor is it a threat to me. So the amount energy I'll devote to it isn't that great.

    But it doesn't mean that I think it's okay or great or acceptable.
     
  7. Amiga

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    Lies that you choose to believe and spread. When it’s from the Trump War Room, you know lies are coming, and that’s exactly what it is.

    Bill Clinton says this: Trump killed the bill written by senior Republicans that would help properly vet the folks coming in. It would keep bad people out while allowing immigrants to help America, which isn’t having enough babies.




    Notice that former POTUS are out there campaigning for Harris. No former POTUS is willing to campaign for Trump.
     
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  8. Amiga

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    All politics. Serious reform would also address the labor shortage.

    The Border Crisis Won't Be Solved, No Matter Who Wins the Election (texasmonthly.com)

    The Border Crisis Won’t Be Solved at the Border
    If Texas officials wanted to stop the arrival of undocumented immigrants, they could try to make it impossible for them to work here. But that would devastate the state’s economy. So instead politicians engage in border theater.

    For two decades, the number of U.S.-born workers entering the construction trade has nosedived. Even if tomorrow all companies raised wages high enough to lure Texans away from their laptop jobs, it could take years of training to condition these newcomers to the rigors of building.

    Cutting off the supply of undocumented workers, then, would be like cutting off the supply of concrete and lumber. Far fewer homes and businesses would be built in the next few decades. It would push up the prices paid by those who buy homes and office buildings. So an inviolable relationship has developed between new construction and migrants: If you build, they will come.

    Whenever Texas politicians threaten to pass laws that would make it harder for businesses to employ undocumented workers, phones in the Capitol start ringing. Stuck with the need to show their base that they’re cracking down on migrants, politicians, including Abbott, have instead found a middle ground: They keep up their bombast regarding the border, but they avoid stringing any razor wire between undocumented immigrants and jobs in the state’s interior.

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    A critical shortage of construction workers is simultaneously hobbling Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Israel, Japan, Malta, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Spain, Turkey, and the United Kingdom. Many nations—in particular those in Europe, where trade unions remain strong—offer attractive salaries to blue-collar workers. But the children of accountants and schoolteachers don’t seem to want to lay bricks, even if laying bricks were to pay better than accounting and teaching.

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    While many Republican business owners and executives have pushed for increased legal immigration—especially of highly educated workers such as engineers and software developers—those who employ large numbers of undocumented workers are often comfortable keeping them that way and paying them less than would be necessary if they were here legally. Trump offers an excellent example of this dynamic: In 2019 The Washington Post interviewed 43 undocumented immigrants employed at various Trump properties: waiting tables at his clubs, cutting the grass on his golf courses, and building walls at his wineries.

    This pattern—of national Republicans demonizing workers but saying little about those who are hiring them—has repeated itself in Texas. Under Operation Lone Star, the state has allocated $11 billion for patrolling the border. In the raucous legislative session in 2023, lawmakers sent a raft of further enforcement bills to Abbott, including the massive Senate Bill 4, which he signed. It’s tied up in the courts, but if it goes into effect, Texas would deputize state and local police to enforce immigration law.

    It’s notable, however, which bills did not reach Abbott’s desk. In the Senate, Lois Kolkhorst, a Republican from Brenham, introduced legislation that would have mandated the use of E-Verify, the software the federal government created for employers to confirm whether their laborers were eligible to work in the U.S. Steve Toth, a far right-winger who represents north Houston suburbs, introduced the House version of the bill. Neither was ever brought to a vote of the full chamber. According to one report, too few Republicans would vote for the proposal, perhaps recognizing the pain it would impose, at least in the short term, to some of their campaign donors and to the state’s economy.
     
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    nuns and Amish are not your typical suicide bomb cadre.
     
  11. Xopher

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    Go on keep deflecting. Go back and read the original post these pictures are in reference to.
     
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    It’s hard to hide a bomb made out of leftover barn timber.
     
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    You’re the one being disingenuous. Comparing nuns, women who are wearing their work clothes, to Muslim women subjected to Sharia.
     
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  15. Amiga

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    When Clinton said it, it is NOT okay. When Musk said it, no one blinked.

    Both Clinton and Musk are saying the same thing: due to the decline in birthrate, we aren’t at replacement level, and unless that changes, we need immigration to keep our economy growing. Musk even went as far as saying we could face the extinction of entire nations due to the declining birthrate. Some on the right views this as part of The Great Replacement when it’s simply facing reality - to sustain the economy for future generation.

    U.S. Demographic Projections: With and Without Immigration — Penn Wharton Budget Model (upenn.edu)

    Key Points
    • Recent declines in the total fertility rate have pushed it below the population replacement level of 2.1 percent per woman. The Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM) microsimulation projects the TFR to remain below this level during the next few decades.

    • Persistently low fertility will make the balance of births minus deaths negative. A positive, albeit declining, population growth rate will be sustained, however, because of sustained positive net immigration.

    • The shift of baby-boomer workers into retirement portends a decline in the worker-to-retiree ratio from 3.0 today to 2.0 by 2075. A faster annual immigration rate, equal to about 3.5 times the current rate, would be required to restore the ratio over the long term.
     
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    What the hell is wrong with his voice? It gives me the creeps.
     
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    He’s a moron!
     
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    Just wondering aloud how many immigrants work for Musk’s companies including Musk himself?
     
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